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Subject: Re: [Leica] Opinions Please 135mm lens for M
From: Marc James Small <msmall@infionline.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:46:22 -0400
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At 10:22 AM 7/12/03 -0400, Seth Rosner wrote:
>
>Henning has it exactly right. Marc has it exactly wrong. I challenge Marc to
>cite two - not many, just two - "users and analysts" whose experience, like
>his, is that the 135/4 Elmar is "optically superior to the compressed teles"
>(Henning has noted correctly that the new Leica 135/3.4 APO-Telyt is a
>telephoto design). Marc's claim is utter rubbish.
>
>And to claim that the Soviet and post-Soviet 135 Jupiter is in this class of
>lenses is, well, even rubbisher. Only a zeissaholic would go there.

Seth and Henning

I recommend on both points that you review your copies of Puts'LEICA LENS
COMPENDIUM, page 183.  Marc's claim might be subject to challenge, but it
is hardly "rubbish".  I believe that Rogliatti comments in accordance with
Erwin, but my copy is not readily at hand.

Yes, the contrast on the Tele-Elmar is better, but it is less satisfactory
on other optical factors.

And, Seth, you clearly have never shot with a 4/13.5cm CZJ Sonnar T or a
good Jupiter-11;  I cheerfully grant you the problems inherent in SPS
quality control.  

Finally, I have owned multiple copies of all of these lenses and have used
them extensively, as the 135 focal length is a favorite of mine.  The
3.4/135 APO-Telyt is the finest of the lot, but neither the 4/135 Elmar nor
the Tele-Elmar are slouches.

Marc

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