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Subject: RE: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art'
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:23:53 -0400

That's because everyone is a "photographer;" virtually every home has at
least one camera in it, and anyone can pick up that camera, depress the
shutter release, and "be a photographer." ;-)

B. D.

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Steve
Barbour
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:21 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art'


yes absolutely Rich...yet at the same time, people trivialize photos,
and take them for granted, often  assuming that everyone can be a
"photographer"....Steve

> Hi Clive,
>
>      Photos are one of things people value most.  In a fire, it's what
they
> try to save first and miss most.  And it seems the further removed by 
> time, the greater the value.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich Lahrson
> Berkeley, California
> tripspud@transbay.net
>
> Clive Moss wrote:
>
> > So, tell us what you really think :-)
> > Is this the kind of snapshot you mean? 
> > http://www.fotolog.net/chmoss/?photo_id=219449
> > (beware -- Canon G3 picture -- purists need not look)
> > --
> > Clive
> > http://clive.moss.net
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of 
> > > Dante Stella
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:56 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art'
> > >
> > >
> > > Snapshots have a lot of potential to have meaning to the subject 
> > > and even to other viewers.  They are unposed, unarranged, poorly 
> > > lit, ragged, wrinkled, and sometimes even tired, but they capture 
> > > the moment.
> > >
> > > What does not capture the moment or have any affective potential 
> > > is 99.99% of what calls itself "fine-art" photography or 
> > > "professional photography."  I am always amazed at how people who 
> > > photograph for a living bill themselves.  It seems that the more 
> > > mediocre the photography, the worse the hyperbole (hope I'm not 
> > > appropriating any real trademarks, but you get the idea):
> > >
> > > "Captured beauty"
> > >
> > > "Intimate moments"
> > >
> > > "Stopped time."
> > >
> > > Blah blah blah bullsh*t.  It's like reading Robert Frost.
> > >
> > > What's worse, the worse the photographer, the more extravagant the

> > > title.  Has anyone ever noticed that the world's most famous 
> > > paintings carry titles which are simple, elegant, and descriptive?

> > > Or has  the world of professional photography gotten so bad that 
> > > it believes that Platonic nominalism can bail it out?
> > >
> > > What's the excuse?  People pay you (if you are good enough to sell

> > > stuff), you write the equipment off your taxes, you charge the 
> > > materials to the customers, and if you have the cajones, you can 
> > > make them do any type of portrait YOU want.  So what explains the 
> > > complete lack of creativity?  Is it that you are not really an 
> > > artist?  Are you a technician?
> > >
> > > If you want overproduced portraits that are technically perfect 
> > > and emotionally absent, check into some Baroque painting sometime.
> > >
> > > If you want to see people as they are, as they look and as they 
> > > feel, look in some amateur's photo album.  Sure, the pages are 
> > > that sticky kind, and there is that nasty cellophane that 
> > > supposedly interferes with viewing.  Maybe some of the little 
> > > square 126 prints are already turning red.  But it is much, much 
> > > more genuine than the Olan-Mills-style pablum coming out of most 
> > > studios.  Housepainters, mostly.
> > >
> > > NO ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > ____________
> > > Dante Stella
> > > http://www.dantestella.com
> > >
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