Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/06/12

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art'
From: "Steve Barbour" <kididdoc@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 04:21:03 -0700
References: <000a01c3309f$59950ea0$210110ac@DJPFL111> <3EE811FA.218DBAF1@transbay.net>

yes absolutely Rich...yet at the same time, people trivialize photos, and
take them for granted, often  assuming that everyone can be a
"photographer"....Steve

> Hi Clive,
>
>      Photos are one of things people value most.  In a fire, it's what
they
> try to save first and miss most.  And it seems the further removed by
> time, the greater the value.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich Lahrson
> Berkeley, California
> tripspud@transbay.net
>
> Clive Moss wrote:
>
> > So, tell us what you really think :-)
> > Is this the kind of snapshot you mean?
> > http://www.fotolog.net/chmoss/?photo_id=219449
> > (beware -- Canon G3 picture -- purists need not look)
> > --
> > Clive
> > http://clive.moss.net
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of
> > > Dante Stella
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:56 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art'
> > >
> > >
> > > Snapshots have a lot of potential to have meaning to the subject and
> > > even to other viewers.  They are unposed, unarranged, poorly lit,
> > > ragged, wrinkled, and sometimes even tired, but they capture
> > > the moment.
> > >
> > > What does not capture the moment or have any affective potential is
> > > 99.99% of what calls itself "fine-art" photography or "professional
> > > photography."  I am always amazed at how people who photograph for a
> > > living bill themselves.  It seems that the more mediocre the
> > > photography, the worse the hyperbole (hope I'm not appropriating any
> > > real trademarks, but you get the idea):
> > >
> > > "Captured beauty"
> > >
> > > "Intimate moments"
> > >
> > > "Stopped time."
> > >
> > > Blah blah blah bullsh*t.  It's like reading Robert Frost.
> > >
> > > What's worse, the worse the photographer, the more extravagant the
> > > title.  Has anyone ever noticed that the world's most famous
> > > paintings
> > > carry titles which are simple, elegant, and descriptive?  Or has  the
> > > world of professional photography gotten so bad that it believes that
> > > Platonic nominalism can bail it out?
> > >
> > > What's the excuse?  People pay you (if you are good enough to sell
> > > stuff), you write the equipment off your taxes, you charge the
> > > materials to the customers, and if you have the cajones, you can make
> > > them do any type of portrait YOU want.  So what explains the complete
> > > lack of creativity?  Is it that you are not really an artist?
> > >  Are you
> > > a technician?
> > >
> > > If you want overproduced portraits that are technically perfect and
> > > emotionally absent, check into some Baroque painting sometime.
> > >
> > > If you want to see people as they are, as they look and as they feel,
> > > look in some amateur's photo album.  Sure, the pages are that sticky
> > > kind, and there is that nasty cellophane that supposedly interferes
> > > with viewing.  Maybe some of the little square 126 prints are already
> > > turning red.  But it is much, much more genuine than the
> > > Olan-Mills-style pablum coming out of most studios.  Housepainters,
> > > mostly.
> > >
> > > NO ARCHIVE
> > >
> > > ____________
> > > Dante Stella
> > > http://www.dantestella.com
> > >
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Replies: Reply from Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art')
In reply to: Message from "Clive Moss" <chmphoto@sbcglobal.net> (RE: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art')
Message from tripspud <tripspud@transbay.net> (Re: [Leica] Snapshots vs 'art')