Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/04/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I don't mind people repeating themselves when they have something to say. I have not notice distortion at 28mm, but to be fair, I've not looked for it. On Saturday, Apr 26, 2003, at 11:01 Australia/Melbourne, Dan States wrote: > Alastair, I did not use a hood, but in many of the shots I believe it > really would not have mattered. In several cases I was shooting in a > well shaded and relatively dark area. (At a temple in rural Japan on a > cloudy day, shaded by heavy trees and a large gate.) There was no > direct light shining on the camera at all. Only a distant cloundy > background in a small portion of the center of the frame. In these > shots the shadow detail was washed out with exactly the same flare you > showed in your scans. > > Indeed, if my very unscientific guess is correct about the cause of > the flare, a hood will do nothing, since the cause is mechanical and > internal, not optical. It's interesting to compare a lens like the > Contax 90mm Sonnar G, with has really outstanding flare control, to > the Tri-Elmar. The inner barrel of the Sonnar is jet black, with a > velvet lining. NO light boucing around in there. > > When printing in black and white I typically had to use 1 full > contrast grade higher when the shot was taken in the 50mm setting. > Only when the light was to my back, was the contrast close to the > 28mm or 35mm settings. > > By the way, to be fair, the 35mm setting was quite superb. Nearly as > sharp as my Summicron and no distortion or flare. That said, it's a > pretty expensive f 4.0 35mm lens. > > At the 28mm setting I found the resolution to be lower, distortion > very high and flare well controlled. Sorry, now I am starting to > repeat myself. > > Dan States > > > >> From: Alastair Firkin <firkin@ncable.net.au> >> Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The Tri-Elmar flare thing >> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:41:06 +1000 >> >> Thank you for this summary: Did you still have flare even when using >> a hood? I too have been taken aback by the flare problem, in >> situations where I was NOT expecting problems. The hood is very >> expensive and if this does not really help the problem, then my lens >> may go on sale as well. >> >> Cheers >> On Saturday, Apr 26, 2003, at 10:17 Australia/Melbourne, Dan States >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry to rehash a subject, but I have been out of town for a few >>> days and did not get a chance to respond during the discussion about >>> the tri-elmar. >>> >>> Yes indeed, the Tri Elmar does have a flare problem. In particular >>> at the 50mm setting. I have a stack of slides that were trash >>> because of the unpredictable nature of this lens at the 50mm >>> setting. >>> >>> What was baffling to me was that the flare occured in shots that >>> would not normally be a problem for most modern lenses. >>> >>> I found that hazy/bright days gave the tri elmar fits. The flare >>> was identical to that seen in the shots posted earlier on this >>> forum. The character of the flare made me believe that it has to do >>> with reflections in the inner barrel of the lens, between element >>> and camera, not between lens elements themselves. If you look into >>> the back of the TE while pointing it at a light source you can see >>> that a LOT of light reflects off the inner barrel in the 50mm >>> setting. Little or none at the 28 or 35mm setting. I also noticed >>> that the inner barrel is painted more of a flat grey than black, >>> when compared to my other Leica or Contax lenses. >>> >>> If this was an SLR lens you would be able to see the flare before >>> taking the shot...and correct for the situation by reframing or >>> changing magnification. Since you can not see THROUGH the lens you >>> are left unaware until you get the ruined shots back. >>> >>> It was this nasty traight along with a ton of distortion at 28mm >>> that made me give up my TE. The fact that these issues have not >>> been more of an issue with the LUG and especially with Erwin Puts >>> has suprised me. How the TE is constantly refered to as one of >>> Leicas "best" really has me stumped. Am I too picky? Are most >>> users not seeing the problem in the snapshots they are getting back >>> from walmart? >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Dan States >>> Grand Forks (Americas wonderland) ND >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, see >>> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >>> >>> >> Alastair >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see >> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > Alastair - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html