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Subject: Re: [Leica] Now that Leica glo' no mo ---
From: Patrick Jelliffe <pbjbike@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:31:53 -0800 (PST)

Hey John,

I thought you sold your Littman "4X5".  Is it still
available?

Patrick


- --- Johnny Deadman <lists@johnbrownl"
> 
> However I know enough about my own learning curve to
> stick with it in 
> these circumstances, and that these kinds of
> feelings are actually 
> God's way of telling you you have done something
> right. After all, if 
> it felt the same why bother to change? So a couple
> of weekends later I 
> *love* the 164. It rides on rails like a damned
> train. You get your 
> balance right and it does all the turning for you.
> Amazing board.
> 
> Anyway, Erwin's spiel is just a fancy way of saying
> he prefers his 
> Mom's cooking.
> 
> I am currently learning to use a Canon 1Ds which is
> a massive change 
> from a Leica. I've also recently learned to use a
> 4x5 camera. All of 
> this was difficult, but worth it. And all of it,
> including 
> snowboarding, is a question of transferring
> technique from your 
> conscious brain to your reptilian brain. Once you do
> that it's all 
> intuitive, no matter which camera you're using.
> 
> JB
> 
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 04:55  PM, Richard F.
> Man wrote:
> 
> > So what do you y'all think of this editorial from
> Dante's site: 
> > www.dantestella.com. Does any of you have
> experience similar to 
> > Erwin's? I think it this is just shilling from
> Erwin, but then what do 
> > I know? Of course he wrote something equally
> dramatic for the new MP 
> > experience too. So... thoughts? As usual, I
> suspect it has been 
> > discussed before, but would be interesting to hear
> the thoughts now 
> > given the M7 and the new MP....
> >
> >
>
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/rangefinder.html:
> > Quote from another website, I am sure it is from
> Erwin Puts' site 
> > somewhere, as I was mightily intrigued and
> confused when I ran into it 
> > myself -- // richard
> > ***
> > — "When you close your eyes and pick up the Leica
> and the Hexar 
> > several times, the difference in feeling and
> haptics emerges. When you 
> > hold the Leica, your thumb slides behind the
> advance lever and your 
> > finger lays on the shutter release button, which
> is sharp as a 
> > trigger. This simple and intuitive act signifies
> to the brain a state 
> > of alert attention and you fall into the mood of a
> hunter or an active 
> > sportsperson anticipating the moves of the other
> players. When holding 
> > the Hexar, both hands hold the body and wen your
> finger touches the 
> > release button, there is no trigger effect. The
> finger just rests 
> > there and you do not get any feedback from the
> body. So you switch 
> > almost automatically into a more passive state of
> mind and allow the 
> > camera to work for you. That is easy to do as the
> automatic functions 
> > of the camera (exposure, film transport,
> motorwinder) are so well 
> > executed that you start to rely on them and even
> transfer control to 
> > them. In fact you are starting to become an
> operator of the camera, 
> > adjusting the wheels and not the driver who forces
> the camera to do as 
> > he wants it to act."
> >
> > And here's Dante's editorial remark:
> > ***
> > — Whoa, Nelly! The above-statement was written by
> a noted Leica expert 
> > in relation to two cameras that take the same
> lenses and have exactly 
> > the same type viewfinder and focusing. Personally,
> I would like to see 
> > the EEGs of people using Leicas and Hexar RFs
> before I swallow a 
> > statement like that. While the writer is normally
> very organized and 
> > scientific in his methods, I can't help but
> conclude that this 
> > statement is probably the clearest proof that
> Leica (Leica, not other 
> > brands of similar equiment) is a religion. Isn't a
> camera supposed to 
> > work for you?! Ifyou want to talk haptics and
> concentration, there is 
> > nothing that breaks the concentration of a
> left-eyed shooter faster 
> > than putting you right thumb in your right eye
> while winding an M3. 
> > Talk about tactile. I'd rather take the shot and
> forget about the 
> > "experience" of taking the picture.
> >
> > // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com> 
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