RE: [Leica] 1Ds digital results

["bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Patrick
Jelliffe
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:03 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] 1Ds digital results


Forgive a (digital) neophite's question:  Any rumors
for a digital back for M cameras? (I also want to put
a V-8 in my '64 Volvo...)

Thanks,

Patrick

- --- Rafael Alday <rafaelalday@yahoo.es> wrote:
> 1) this is the reason why I got a Leica and not a
> P&S
> camera. An "average" P$S camera takes good pictures:
> 
> "Off 100 people viewing a shot of a horse race,how
> many do you think have ever noticed the "fine
> titching" in the jockey's jackets? For that matter,
> of
> 100 photographers shooting such a scene, how many
> know
> - or care - that the detail is there until they look
> at a huge enlargement?
> 
> 2) I agree about speed and editing digital shots but
> YES I want to develope my own films (latitude
> control)
> 
> 
> Rafael
> 
>  --- bdcolen <bdcolen@earthlink.net> escribioo |gt;
> Robert -
> > 1. Off 100 people viewing a shot of a horse race,
> > how many do you think
> > have ever noticed the "fine stitching" in the
> > jockey's jackets? For that
> > matter, of 100 photographers shooting such a
> scene,
> > how many know - or
> > care - that the detail is there until they look at
> a
> > huge enlargement?
> > Bottom line - does the digital capture the scene?
> > Does it capture the
> > color "accurately?" Does it capture light and
> > shadow? Does it capture
> > the action? Does it give the same impression, when
> > viewed from a normal
> > viewing distance, that film does? After all, NO
> ONE
> > is looking at such a
> > photo with a loupe other than someone trying to
> see
> > what fine detail the
> > film was capable of resolving.
> > 
> > 2. You've got to be kidding when you say the
> digital
> > workflow takes
> > longer than the film workflow.
> > "I develop them by machine, edit on a light table
> > and 
> > throw out the rejects.  I can view a slide in a
> few
> > seconds using a
> > loupe.  Opening a file, closing it and then
> deleting
> > it probably
> > averages
> > to ten or fifteen seconds each file."
> > 
> > So you're saying you take a processing machine to
> > the venue? And wait
> > how long for the slides to be processed, dried,
> and
> > mounted before you
> > throw them on the light table - that you also took
> > to the venue? As
> > opposed to the "ten to fifteen seconds" it
> "probably
> > averages" to view
> > each digital image and decide if it's a keeper -
> > which can be done on
> > the camera if one is so inclined. And if one
> isn't,
> > it's sure easier
> > carrying a laptop to the race track than it is
> > transporting a slide
> > processing outfit, film drier, mounts, and a
> > lightbox. And then,
> > assuming that you want to make some color or white
> > balance adjustments
> > in those slides you've thrown on the lightbox, how
> > do you do it - unless
> > you're printing - and how long does it take?
> > 
> > Come on. If you want to say that you think film is
> > superior because it
> > captures that fine detail - and you have a need
> for
> > that fine detail -
> > okay. If you want to say you prefer the latitude
> > film gives you, okay.
> > If you want to say that you prefer to use your
> > Leicas and Leica glass,
> > and that you can't use them to shoot digitally,
> > fine. But don't claim
> > that shooting digitally slows people down -
> because
> > it just ain't so.
> > :-)
> > 
> > B. D.
> > Still shooting film.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]
> On
> > Behalf Of Robert G.
> > Stevens
> > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:57 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] 1Ds digital results
> > 
> > 
> > At 12:29 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Wilfred,
> > >
> > > > White balance and overall color fidelity is
> > often
> > > > superior to film in good digital cameras,
> > >
> > >I believe you are misusing the word "fidelity".
> > Fidelity means
> > >"accuracy of reproduction".  It is physically
> > impossible for digital
> > >cameras using Bayer pattern sensors to have
> higher
> > "fidelity" than film
> > 
> > >(unless they have a LOT of sensors, and 11M
> sensors
> > doesn't come
> > >close), simply because of the color interpolation
> > that happens due to
> > >the Bayer pattern sensor.
> > 
> > I have noticed that images shot with digital seem
> to
> > be missing some of
> > the
> > finer detail captured on slide film.  I am
> assuming
> > it is this color
> > interpolation doing it.  I borrowed an EOS 1D to
> > shoot some hockey this 
> > weekend.  When shot at 400asa the details in the
> > material of the jerseys
> > 
> > seem to be missing.  Using the same lens,  E200
> > pushed to EI 400 seems
> > to
> > capture more details in the Jerseys, such as the
> > fine stiching.  It is 
> > really noticable with the red jerseys.
> > 
> > Look at the sample image on the EOS 1D web page.
> In
> > the Jockey picture
> > the
> > red jersey has no detail, just a blob of red.  Its
> a
> > big tiff file and
> > takes a while to download.
> > 
> > http://www.usa.canon.com/EOS-1D/sample.html
> > 
> > I would also argue that digital adds a lot to the
> > work flow for somebody
> > 
> > that is not on a tight deadline.  Shooting at 8fps
> > and high quality
> > creates
> > a lot of files that take a lot of time to open and
> > decide whether to
> > delete 
> > or keep.  With slides, I develop them by machine,
> > edit on a light table
> > and 
> > throw out the rejects.  I can view a slide in a
> few
> > seconds using a
> > loupe.  Opening a file, closing it and then
> deleting
> > it probably
> > averages
> > to ten or fifteen seconds each file.
> > 
> > Not to mention dragging a laptop to the venue to
> > download the images and
> > 
> > start some of the editing.  One more thing to
> carry.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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