Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/12/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]1) this is the reason why I got a Leica and not a P&S camera. An "average" P$S camera takes good pictures: "Off 100 people viewing a shot of a horse race,how many do you think have ever noticed the "fine titching" in the jockey's jackets? For that matter, of 100 photographers shooting such a scene, how many know - - or care - that the detail is there until they look at a huge enlargement? 2) I agree about speed and editing digital shots but YES I want to develope my own films (latitude control) Rafael --- bdcolen <bdcolen@earthlink.net> escribió: > Robert - > 1. Off 100 people viewing a shot of a horse race, > how many do you think > have ever noticed the "fine stitching" in the > jockey's jackets? For that > matter, of 100 photographers shooting such a scene, > how many know - or > care - that the detail is there until they look at a > huge enlargement? > Bottom line - does the digital capture the scene? > Does it capture the > color "accurately?" Does it capture light and > shadow? Does it capture > the action? Does it give the same impression, when > viewed from a normal > viewing distance, that film does? After all, NO ONE > is looking at such a > photo with a loupe other than someone trying to see > what fine detail the > film was capable of resolving. > > 2. You've got to be kidding when you say the digital > workflow takes > longer than the film workflow. > "I develop them by machine, edit on a light table > and > throw out the rejects. I can view a slide in a few > seconds using a > loupe. Opening a file, closing it and then deleting > it probably > averages > to ten or fifteen seconds each file." > > So you're saying you take a processing machine to > the venue? And wait > how long for the slides to be processed, dried, and > mounted before you > throw them on the light table - that you also took > to the venue? As > opposed to the "ten to fifteen seconds" it "probably > averages" to view > each digital image and decide if it's a keeper - > which can be done on > the camera if one is so inclined. And if one isn't, > it's sure easier > carrying a laptop to the race track than it is > transporting a slide > processing outfit, film drier, mounts, and a > lightbox. And then, > assuming that you want to make some color or white > balance adjustments > in those slides you've thrown on the lightbox, how > do you do it - unless > you're printing - and how long does it take? > > Come on. If you want to say that you think film is > superior because it > captures that fine detail - and you have a need for > that fine detail - > okay. If you want to say you prefer the latitude > film gives you, okay. > If you want to say that you prefer to use your > Leicas and Leica glass, > and that you can't use them to shoot digitally, > fine. But don't claim > that shooting digitally slows people down - because > it just ain't so. > :-) > > B. D. > Still shooting film. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On > Behalf Of Robert G. > Stevens > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:57 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: RE: [Leica] 1Ds digital results > > > At 12:29 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Wilfred, > > > > > White balance and overall color fidelity is > often > > > superior to film in good digital cameras, > > > >I believe you are misusing the word "fidelity". > Fidelity means > >"accuracy of reproduction". It is physically > impossible for digital > >cameras using Bayer pattern sensors to have higher > "fidelity" than film > > >(unless they have a LOT of sensors, and 11M sensors > doesn't come > >close), simply because of the color interpolation > that happens due to > >the Bayer pattern sensor. > > I have noticed that images shot with digital seem to > be missing some of > the > finer detail captured on slide film. I am assuming > it is this color > interpolation doing it. I borrowed an EOS 1D to > shoot some hockey this > weekend. When shot at 400asa the details in the > material of the jerseys > > seem to be missing. Using the same lens, E200 > pushed to EI 400 seems > to > capture more details in the Jerseys, such as the > fine stiching. It is > really noticable with the red jerseys. > > Look at the sample image on the EOS 1D web page. In > the Jockey picture > the > red jersey has no detail, just a blob of red. Its a > big tiff file and > takes a while to download. > > http://www.usa.canon.com/EOS-1D/sample.html > > I would also argue that digital adds a lot to the > work flow for somebody > > that is not on a tight deadline. Shooting at 8fps > and high quality > creates > a lot of files that take a lot of time to open and > decide whether to > delete > or keep. With slides, I develop them by machine, > edit on a light table > and > throw out the rejects. I can view a slide in a few > seconds using a > loupe. Opening a file, closing it and then deleting > it probably > averages > to ten or fifteen seconds each file. > > Not to mention dragging a laptop to the venue to > download the images and > > start some of the editing. One more thing to carry. > > Regards, > > Robert > > > > > >Now, the color may LOOK better/cleaner etc. to > some, but that is not > >something you can attribute to "fidelity". > > > > > Negative film can still capture a wider range of > light than any > > > non-scanning digital sensor I've seen or read > about thus far. > > > >Hum. What are the ranges you are seeing? My > information shows they > >are equal, with an edge on digital, especially for > color. For B&W, > >they are the same, pretty much, but you have to use > compression and > >compensating development to get that many stops on > the film...but it is > > >do-able. > > > >Regards, > > > >Austin > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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