RE: [Leica] Is this believable?

[Patrick Jelliffe <pbjbike@yahoo.com>]

However subjectively it is used, Miranda is an
important member of our(waning)civil rights.  Ed Meese
tried to do away with Miranda when he was AG under
Reagan.  Don't be surprised to see it rendered useless
by the Patriot Act. 

Patrick
 
- --- bdcolen <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Big difference between saying that many cops do
> something, and saying
> that the law is such and such. 
> 
> B. D.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On
> Behalf Of S Dimitrov
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:27 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Is this believable?
> 
> 
> No walk on the wild side for you, eh ? As far as
> believing that
> something has to be codified to have a reality, then
> you haven't been
> living in the real world. You have to remember that
> we have individuals
> out there, under the color of the law, that have to
> interpret a
> situation on the cuff. More often than not, they
> will err on the side of
> caution, and then deal with the consequences later.
> Granted that they
> tutored in police science, whatever that may be, but
> the lack of respect
> for civil liberties is rampart, er 'scuse me,
> rampant. Slobodan Dimitrov
> 
> 
> Austin Franklin wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm asking what law states that I am under arrest
> by default?  I don't
> 
> > believe that is true.  You have to break a law to
> be under arrest, and
> 
> > being under arrest requires telling you why you
> are under arrest, as 
> > well as the reading of your Miranda Rights...I
> believe.
> > 
> > I also do not believe walking away from a supposed
> officer, who 
> > believes he has "engaged" you, is a crime. 
> Perhaps it is...but I'd 
> > like to see the actual written law that states
> that.  I just don't 
> > blindly believe these type of things without some
> better 
> > understanding.
> > 
> > Austin
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > >
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> Behalf Of S 
> > > Dimitrov
> > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:48 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Is this believable?
> > >
> > >
> > > How do you know he's not involved in some kind
> of fact finding? 
> > > Besides, try walking away, when you have been
> stopped, or engaged in
> 
> > > some way. Once stopped by an officer, that is an
> act of arrest. 
> > > Slobodan
> > >
> > > Austin Franklin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Technically, once an officer of the law
> stops you, even to
> > > ask about the
> > > > > weather, you're under arrest
> until_he_decides
> > > the_conversation_is over.
> > > >
> > > > Hi Slobodan,
> > > >
> > > > Where did you get that from?
> > > >
> > > > Austin
> > 
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