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Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Photo books and prints.
From: Per Claesson <per@visimedia.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:09:54 +0100

I like it. It is good that anybody can do it. Although Alfies works  
seem kinda pseudo-modernist to me, the idea is good. Shoot your photos,  
make a PDF, print it out on your photo printer on demand and sell. What  
if Irving Penn would have done that?

There is nothing wrong with everybody being able to produce and market  
their works at a low cost, rather than being dependent on publishers  
(we all know how they are). The only "problem" is that there is a lot  
of "noise" emerging, in the form of  
in-general-not-very-interesting-junk, and we will have to figure out  
how to find the good stuff. Nowadays I find the most interesting music  
I ever heard from some small web sites and home-run record companies  
all over the place. In fact, I don't even care whether it is "good" or  
not anymore. I only care about if I like it or not.

And after all, is there always such a big difference between our Super  
Hollywood Star and Joe on Big Brother, except for the mega-marketing  
machinery and styling team behind the former...?

Per

> Anybody can do what Alfie has done, produce something at very low  
> initial
> cost and advertise it to thousands of people also at very low initial  
> cost
> regardless of the merits or otherwise of the stuff they produce, all  
> you
> need is the balls to produce it and stick it out there for the  
> punters.  In
> the UK at least our TV schedules are full of amateurs competing to be  
> the
> next five-minute pop star, getting acting jobs on prime-time soaps,
> redesigning neighbour's homes, cooking elaborately crafted food or  
> getting a
> few million quid for getting locked up in a house with a bunch of
> dysfunctional adults.
>
> When the main criteria of success seems to be exposure rather than  
> skill and
> talent, Alfie's hour may have come.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Per Claesson [mailto:per@visimedia.com]
> Sent: 04 November 2002 09:48
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Photo books and prints.
>
>
> Hey, now I'm getting curious. Could you elaborate a bit on that
> statement, "!'m convinced that he and people with his approach are the
> future of art in the 21 st century". Would you mind saying something
> more about which approach you refer to, and what is so new/special
> about it?
>
> Per
>
>> the 21st century
>> After last time's conflagration, I downloaded the PDF and viewed it
>> several
>> times, I've also read some of Alfie's posting history here and on
>> photo.net.
>> I'm convinced that he and people with his approach are the future of
>> art in
>> the 21st century and I was wondering if he's managed to achieve any
>> commercial success.
>>
>> Anyone want to buy an unmade bed?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bdcolen@earthlink.net [mailto:bdcolen@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: 03 November 2002 16:27
>> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> Subject: RE: [Leica] FS: Photo books and prints.
>>
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:06 -0000 "Beddoe, Neil" <nbeddoe@lehman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I too am curious.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: S Dimitrov [mailto:sld@earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: 01 November 2002 15:21
>>> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS: Photo books and
>>> prints.
>>>
>>>
>>> So Albert, how many of these have you sold?
>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>
>>> Albert Wang wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For sale:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Postcards of an Existentialist Halftone
>>> Book/Catalogue (107 pages, 8.5
>>> by
>>>> 11)... $25 plus $10 SH.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Complete self-printed and autographed set
>>> of all 96 selenium quadtone
>>>> prints in Itoya binder
>>>> Epson Archival Matte Paper... $150 plus $20
>>> SHI
>>>> Hahnemuhle Photo Matte Paper... $300 plus $20
>>> SHI
>>>> Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 188... $500 plus $20 SHI
>>>> Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308... $600 plus $20 SHI
>>>> If interested in other papers, please contact
>>> at leica_phile@hotmail.com.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Single unmatted print
>>>> Epson Archival Matte Paper... $10 plus $5 SHI
>>>> Hahnemuhle Photo Matte Paper... $20 plus $5
>>> SHI
>>>> Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 188... $40 plus $5 SHI
>>>> Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308... $50 plus $5 SHI
>>>>
>>>> 4) Postcards of an Existentialist CD-ROM...
>>> $.50 plus $4 SH
>>>>
>>>> For more information or to order please
>>> contact Albert Wang at
>>>> leica_phile@hotmail.com accordingly. Thanks
>>> again for your consideration.
>>>>
>>>> Albert "Alfie" Wang
>>>> Freelance Street/Documentary Photographer
>>>> 1122 Brill St.
>>>> Philadelphia PA 19124
>>>> leica_phile@hotmail.com
>>>> (215) 668-1809
>>>>
>>>>
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