Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/09/19

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Subject: Re: [Leica] finder flare
From: "Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:54:38 +0200
References: <NFBBLKCBALBGBAJLJIHCEEKACNAA.enitka@twcny.rr.com>

Without viewfinder flare, the LUG would fall silent. Without the LUG, Leica
would be a tree toppling in the forest with no-one to hear it fall.

- -- Rob

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Nitka" <enitka@twcny.rr.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] finder flare


> John - first of all take a breath.... a long breath.  I agree %110 with
you.
> I never made a big deal out of it till I realized that the Hexar RF and
> Bessa r and r2 have absolutely no flare.  I think they do it to annoy us.
>
> ernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of John
> Collier
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:25 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] finder flare
>
>
> RANT MODE ON
>
>   THE TRUTH!
>
> I have read this and other opinions from Leica – and others. I have
> heard three different definite causes for the flare from three different
> reliable high ups in Leica. So far none of them has resulted in a
> solution. Lord knows they have been feeling the heat for 18 (eighteen)
> years over the issue. If it is just a simple switch of mirrors why the
> h***, pardon the language, do they not switch it back?!!! If it is just
> a missing element why wait 18 (eighteen) years to do something?!!!
>
> I may be wrong, which I freely confess, but if the solution is so d***,
> pardon the language, simple why is it 18 (eighteen) years and counting?
> Were they all dropped on their heads at birth? Do they think we were all
> dropped on our heads at birth?
>
> It b*****, pardon the language, better be something fantastically
> complicated to take 18 (eighteen) years to fix!
>
> Starting to get just a little annoyed,
>
> John Collier
>
> PS: Nothing personal, it is not you I want to throttle. Normally I am a
> very mild mannered not so young man. My apologies to you in advance.
>
> PPS: My personal opinion, of no value, is that it has to do with how the
> metering display was incorporated into the viewfinder. This is allowing
> stray light from certain angles to white out the finder. This strikes me
> as something the little b******s, pardon the language, could well not
> have the resourses to fix what with them losing money every year for as
> long as I can remember...
>
> RANT MODE OVER
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 11:13 PM, Dennis Painter wrote:
>
> > The truth is out there, look for it.
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [Leica] Rangefinder Whiteout Problem - The Answer from Leica
> > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:26:44 +0100 (MET)
> > From: Dr.Alexander.Kraus@gmx.de
> >
> >
> > Hi Lugers,
> > much has been speculated about the rangefinder flare problem in late
> > M4-P
> > and M6 (TTL)
> > cameras. Recently, I found an interesting posting in the Leica customer
> > forum, where someone stated that the reason for the whiteout of the
> > rangefinder
> > patch would be the switch from a flat mirror (for brightline
> > illumination) to
> > a parabolic one. The latter one would give siginifcantly brighter
> > frames,
> > however under certain light conditions, the light would be focussed
> > directly on
> > the rangefinder hole of the frame mask mechanism.
> > This sounded very reasonable to me and so I decided ton ask Leica
> > directly
> > whether above explanation is correct. Yesterday, I received an email
> > from Mr.
> > von Gyimes from Leica. He wrote:
>
> > Translation:
> > I is correct that the rangefinder (patch) flare problem is caused by the
> > parabolic mirror.
> > Under certain light conditions (110° to the light source) the
> > rangefinder
> > patch can become bright white and unusable.
> > This problem was significantly reduced by introducing a second
> > reflective
> > surface in the M7 and M6 TTL, but it was not yet possible to eliminate
> > it
> > completely.
> > However, we are working on a solution and we are confident that it will
> > be
> > introduced at the Photokina 2002.
> > The coated viewfinder windows of the M7 enhance the contrast of the
> > viewfinder image visibly. In fall 2002 it will be possible to upgrade
> > Leica M6/M6TTL
> > cameras with these windows.
>
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Replies: Reply from David Mason <dcm@pobox.com> (Re: [Leica] finder flare)
In reply to: Message from "Ernest Nitka" <enitka@twcny.rr.com> (RE: [Leica] finder flare)