Re: [Leica]FS:Photo books and prints by Albert Wang, first three copies for free

[Darrell Jennings <darrell_jennings@yahoo.com>]

Everyone who has been to a PLUG meeting knows Alfie,
and he is NOT a troll or a merchant, just a young
photographer trying to work hard on his dream. 

- --- Stuart Phillips <stuart.phillips@rcn.com> wrote:
> I think the difference here is the first two letters
> of the subject: FS.
> What is for sale is clearly not what is advertized.
> That with those two
> letters, the subject matter moves swiftly out of the
> area of critique (and
> the academic comparison is clearly a red herring)
> into trade. Go to the
> archives - THERE is the history of a critique, from
> many of the long-term
> members of this list, including presumably some of
> the mentally healthy
> people you admire who in the end couldn't decide if
> Alfie was for real. If a
> merchant has a history of misrepresenting his wares,
> we are entitled to know
> about it. Fair and simple. When I read the first
> post I WAS taken in. Only
> later to be alerted by other posts. For those
> prices, go to the back of
> Black and White Magazine and buy some real
> photography.
> 
> Sorry you won't read any of this. Hope you enjoy
> your limited (very limited)
> edition (any size you want as long as it fits in a
> Xerox machine)
> 
> stuart phillips
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Langer" <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>;
> <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica]FS:Photo books and prints by
> Albert Wang, first three
> copies for free
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:26 -0400
> > > From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> > > Subject: RE: [Leica] FS: Photo books and prints
> by Albert Wang, first
> three copies for free.
> > > Message-ID:
> <MBBBJHIBKCKEAEOKKBPOMEENEHAA.bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> > > References:
> > >
> > > I'll address the issue, Mark.   <snip>
> >
> > > I feel
> > > we have every right to publically respond to his
> [Alfie's] offer by
> telling him
> > > honestly how we feel about it:
> > >
> >
> > I have no problem with that, B.D.  I hold Alfie's
> talents in no high
> regard myself.  My objection lies elsewhere.  Please
> try to follow the point
> I'm making.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In my case that means saying that if I had a
> student who produced work
> of
> > > this quality I would not hesitate to give him or
> her an F.
> >
> > I happen to be a professor, and I too would give
> Alfie an F.  But if I
> commented on a student's paper with the kind of
> vitriol that I read on this
> list, I would be hauled in front of the Dean pronto,
> and
> > with good cause too.
> >
> >
> > > As I said
> > > earlier, I consider Alfie's posing as a
> photographer - for that is truly
> > > what he is doing - an real insult to every
> photographer on this list.
> > >
> > > I personally think it would be sad to see
> someone leave the LUG because
> they
> > > feel it is inappropriate to speak truthfully.
> But if that's what you
> want to
> > > do, so be it.
> > >
> >
> > What I see on this list is a confusion between
> speaking truthfully and
> intemperately.  By all means, people should feel
> free to express their
> displeasure honestly.  I'm only suggesting that when
> they do,
> > their first thing they should ask themselves is
> whether they are
> expressing themselves courteously.  Right now, it
> appears that the first
> question many respondents ask themselves in penning
> a response is
> > whether there are one or two "l"s in
> "disembowelled."
> >
> > My objection is that people act incivilly (to put
> it mildly) and then
> defend their insulting and objectional behaviour by
> wrapping themselves
> self-righteously in the mantle of free speech. 
> There are such
> > things as netiquette or ordinary decency, and
> surely even the most savage
> message-writers should be able to grasp the concept
> that they might be able
> to communicate their opinions on this list without
> doing
> > it in such vituperative terms that they drive away
> many productive
> contributors.  Ted Grant appears to be just one of
> the most recent in a long
> line of people fleeing from such onslaughts.  How
> long will it
> > take before the list is reduced to a bunch of
> cranks shaking their fists
> and cursing everything?  It appears to be
> dangerously close to that now -- I
> offer the fascinating example of social pathology
> > demonstrated by the "Canadian Health Care System
> and Slavery" thread as a
> recent manifestation.
> >
> > Right now, I'm receiving LUG in digest form, and
> usually delete most
> digests unread when I see a flame war taking place. 
> The loss of so many
> people on this list has reduced me to the point
> where I receive
> > it for the isolated insights now available, the
> chance to see the
> photography of people like Nathan, the chance for a
> window on the wonderful
> people of Natichoches (sp?), to marvel at the
> company Kyle keeps,
> > to see what advice Tina disseminates, or to see
> what's for sale.  The
> proportion of this wheat to sociopathic chaff
> diminishes steadily.
> >
> > That's all I have to say on the matter, and as I
> am not a mental health
> care professional, I have little hope that anything
> I say will do any good.
> Once more, I urge people on this list to consider
> the
> > effect their means of expressing themselves is
> having on the general
> well-being of LUG.  When you reply to this B.D. (I
> have no doubt that you
> will, since you appear to be pathologically devoted
> to having
> > the last word on everything), keep in mind that I
> will not respond, and
> that I will delete your email unread.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > >
> > > B. D.
> > >
> > > - -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > >
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> Behalf Of Mark Langer
> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:16 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: RE:[Leica] FS: Photo books and prints
> by Albert Wang, first
> > > three copies for free.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hear that noise?  It is the sound of another 30
> people unsubscribing
> from
> > > this list and joining LEG.
> > >
> > > Without engaging in debate on the issue of the
> quality of Albert's work,
> > > when are people going to clue in to the fact
> that the general lack of
> > > civility is really
> > > messing up this list?  And please, spare me the
> "don't let the door hit
> you
> > > on your way out" remarks, gang.  That doesn't
> address the issue.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
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