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Subject: RE: [Leica] the latest madness
From: "B. D. Colen" <>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:57:11 -0400

Rob wrote of Ted...

mythical status might seem a bit puzzling to an outsider."

Just as George Bush's mythical status is puzzling to virtually everyone in
the world outside the U.S...I guess you have to live here to even have a
chance of understanding it. ;-)

B. D.

- -----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Rob Appleby
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] the latest madness

It was quite an interesting event actually. Ted made some jokes about
slavery. I suspect that the people who got angry at him will have made the
politically simplistic equation slavery=black slavery in the US.
Unfortunately, slavery is a major phenomenon in the modern world, with over
200 million slaves worldwide at the moment (can't remember the source, UN
most likely), and no-one has a monopoly on victimhood, nor does anyone hold
the moral high ground in this area.

Ted left the list - well too bad. He has pissed plenty of people off in his
time and he's also been very helpful to a lot of people on this list (I
myself have a pair of his underpants as a lens cleaning cloth), but his
mythical status might seem a bit puzzling to an outsider. But I'm sure that
he wouldn't have had the career he has had, if he wasn't hard as nails
underneath the grampa exterior. He'll be back eventually - who could resist
the adulation?

Unfortunately the LUG is singularly devoid of a sense of humour and doesn't
tolerate satire very well - which is pretty much par for the course for the

Now if BD left the list - that would be a disaster, in quantitative terms at
least!  ;-)


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffery Smith" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] the latest madness

> It happened at the end of the Slavery and Canada thread (which I avoided
> looking at altogether). Apparently Ted made some tongue-in-cheek comments
> after the thread had gotten completely out of hand, and some folks took
> seriously and flamed him. A learning experience for me: (1) don't say
> anything tongue in cheek on the LUG because someone will take it
> and (2) don't take anything seriously on the LUG. This is approaching Sci
> Fi proportions.
> At 10:14 AM 9/2/2002 -0300, you wrote:
> >B. D. Colen wrote:
> >
> > > I told you what I know to be the case: Ted Grant unsubscribed from the
> > > He did not say anything about taking a breather. He said he was
> > > unsubscribing after receiving what he describes as a number of quite
> > > off-list messages from list members even after he apologized on-list
> > for his
> > > post.
> > >
> > > He didn't say if he'd be back at some point in the future or not.
> > >
> > > B. D.
> >
> >
> >oh... I missed this !!
> >what happened ?
> >
> >well, people comes and goes... that's life.
> >
> >Pablo
> >
> >
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> >To unsubscribe, see
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