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Subject: Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)
From: "Roland Smith" <roland@dnai.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:59:57 -0700
References: <31.296ab200.2a56e012@aol.com> <004601c22447$5049ffa0$6501a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com>

YEA!  They were probably able to win because a judge was realistic enough to
see that the search was carried to far.

The Second Amendment of the Constitution protects us from unreasonable
searches and seizures under both criminal and civil law.   The justification
for airport security search must be based on some type of contractual
implied consent when we use the airport.   If we retreat from the use, the
search should not be justified in continuing. I hope this is adjudicated.

One of my political science professors was quick to say that issues of
health and safety are most often used to rationalize the promulgation of
restrictions on our freedom.

Roland Smith
Oakland, California
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "James A. Gatlin" <jagatlin@attbi.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)


> Hate to disagree with you Seth.......
> But I personally know of 4 different people who did this very
> thing.......and won!
>
> They refused the random strip search... and was denied access to their
> flight... quite naturally. And as someone pointed, the security people
could
> not have cared less.
>
> Next they went to the airline tincket counter, and asked for a refund. No
> deal. The counter people could not have cared less.
>
> Next they sent a letter to the ariline office demanding a refund, (of
course
> detailing why), and again, no deal.
>
> Final step.... Small Claims court..... which does not require lawyers....
> told their story to the judge, BAM.. they won judgment for the cost of the
> ticket, plus the minimal costs of the court fees.
>
> Now granted, the airlines and the security people still don't give a
crap...
> but at least these people got their money back, and now, even they don't
> give a crap anymore.
>
> You can at times fight back... and win.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <SthRosner@aol.com>
>
> > > I will ask for, then
> > >  demand, then sue if necessary for a refund.
> >
> > And you will spend a lot of money for a lawyer and you will lose.
> >
> > Seth
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