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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: FOM 2/year 2
From: Allan Wafkowski <allan@sohogurus.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:27:31 -0400

Alastair, I hope you won't judge what I have said by what others' have 
said I said. My words mean what they mean, and no more.

I can join those who have thanked you for your efforts with FOM2. For 
two years you've worked on this, and I understand that it is no small 
effort. I've stated how I think it could be improved, and I believe my 
intentions were not at all as crass as some have made them out to be. 
You will hold the course as you see fit. I have no problem with that. 
Some "defenders" of FOM2 (I really don't believe Ted's screeds were a 
defense at all) think it's disloyal to have a dissenting opinion. I of 
course don't hold that position. I am surprised at the animosity in some 
of the emails, both public and private. Colin went as far as to send me 
a private email stating: "BTW your pictures suck." Boy! Talk about 
low-blow!

In any case, I hope you will consider my submissions without prejudice 
if I can come up with some that don't "suck." :)

Allan



Alastair Firkin wrote:
>> I too have an uneasiness about the FOM2 only accepting Leica taken 
>> photos. There is no way to enforce the demand. Any photo taken with 
>> any camera and lens can be submitted. Are the entries going to be 
>> authenticated by bokeh? Truth is, any slob with a point-and-shoot can 
>> enter FOM2. The demand leads already weak human nature down the path 
>> of dishonesty.
>
> Strangely, there has been quite a deal of "honesty" so far. It is true, 
> that the project is relying on a degree of participator integrity ;-)
>
>>
>> Steve, I love your photos, but your logic for excluding non-Leica 
>> cameras is weak. Leica is supporting FOM 2, but not financially? What 
>> does that mean: We use $2000+ Leica cameras and $1200 Leica lenses and 
>> Solms gives out a self-satisfied grin? LUG membership is required to 
>> enter FOM2. Good. There is no reason to tamper with that requirement, 
>> so we need not fear the "tens-of-thousands" of unwanted entries.
>
> Of course, I have many people telling me limiting it to the LUG is 
> elitist. Believe me Alan, you cannot win here. The restrictions are not 
> draconian. The project does not have a budget, or a team of full time 
> workers, etc, so there is a point in keeping the project "boutique".
>
>>
>> A FOM2 that required LUG membership, but allowed any camera to be used 
>> and what do you get: A bunch of people who love and use Leicas, but 
>> who also like to take a shot with their Olympus XA-2 or whatever 
>> camera they have at the moment, and if the shot comes out good, maybe 
>> send it to FOM2.
>
> Well perhaps that is what might happen, as you say, I cannot enforce 
> honesty. To be "honest", I can and do not enforce membership of the 
> LUG. People come and go off the list, and it is not possible to force 
> them all to read this list. The restriction is there, but the 
> application tries to be sensible.
>
> Cheers
> -- Alastair Firkin
>
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