Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/04/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Nicely said, Kyle. I may have missed something (I don't read everything here} but I don't recall seeing any postings about your photo that I would consider demeaning to Colleen. Quite to the contrary. Most of hat I read about the picture were very complimentary to you and/or your subject. I is a beautiful photo of a lovely young woman.. Some of the discussion that spun off the subject, while perhaps objectifying, was not, AFAIK, directed at Colleen. I am looking forward to receiving my print of this fine photograph. Ken Wilcox At 12:38 AM -0700 4/21/02, kyle cassidy wrote: > >Well said Photo Phreak ... on a subject that is >>"taboo"... to a point that a woman's beauty, is >>becoming politically incorrect to comment on. > >there's nothing wrong with commenting on a woman (or anyone's) physical >attractiveness. it is the derisiveness of some of these comments which >bothers me. when you say "wow, nice tits doll" you are not commenting on >someone's beauty, you're deriding them. > >while i'm certainly guilty of objectification of my subjects -- and i don't >think that's necessarily wrong -- i do respect them. they're human beings, >they're my friends, and they've trusted me. it's a betrayal of that trust if >they then become the victims of oafish commentary. like the photographs or >dislike them, but realize what risks models take when they put themselves in >front of our cameras, especially when we ask them to take off their clothes >first; they're making themselves vulnerable because they trust us to make >something beautiful or meaningful -- as photographers and (hopefully) >artists we are influencing how people around us think and how they behave. >this is an awesome responsibility. i hope that i do justice to my subjects >when i represent them. there are enough girls out there every day getting >run over by the modeling industry, who get talked into doing things they >don't really want to do by unscrupulous people, i don't want to contribute >to that. > >and please remember, this mailing list isn't ted and b.d. and me and marc >and whoever sitting on your back porch drinking beer at 1:00 in the morning >at a hunting lodge in the remote wilderness of wyoming, it's a worldwide >forum with thousands of people listening and a searchable archive. whatever >you think you may be saying to just a few other people is going into the >mailboxes of many. > >i may not be serious about much, but i'm serious about how photographers >treat their models. and if i've taken someone who trusted me with the image >of their own self worth and opened them up to mockery, i've failed in that >contract and i need to go back to photographing bugs. > >i would suggest that when commenting on someone's physical appearance, even >when you think you are complementing them, (and by this i mean the royal >"you," meaning "all of us") imagine someone else is saying it about your >wife or daughter before you commit it to the public record. because that's >who we're talking about -- we're talking about the way that we, as artists, >are conditioning the world to look at all women. > >i happen to think that's a beautiful shot -- and were i to see colleen, i'd >say "hey, you look great." > >just my .02 > >kc > > > > > > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- _____________________ Ken Wilcox klw.51 at comcast.net - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html