Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/04/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hank *We assume the model is a pro or semi pro because the photographer is a pro. Even if he isn't there's no reason to believe the model isn't. But he probably is. *I've met several people, male, female, pro and amateur who do or have done modeling work part time and full time. None of them care about what remarks might be made about the pictures. The general rule is, if it bothers you don't pose naked. If I was modeling material BTW: It would bother me so I wouldn't pose except in a full length extra wide potato sack! But I'm not cute enough so it doesn't matter except for the sake of argument! *By loose sleep I mean worry. It's just an expression, Then again, it is 4 in the morning and you are not in bed. *My comments does too make sense Nufsed Javier - --- Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Your comments does not make sense ... I did not take > these pictures, and neither did you, so how in the > world would I loose sleep over it. > Plus how in the world did you know the model posed > for > this picture is a professional and couldn't care > less. > > > --- Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Professional models pose for these shots with the > > full > > understanding that someone at some time will make > a > > humourous or somehow unacceptable remark. They > don't > > care. I suggest that you not loose sleep over it. > > I'm still trying to find out if this pic went > > through > > photoshop DE. Not that there would be anything > wrong > > with that since it's still part of a creative > > process > > now moving rapidly in the PS direction. > > Javier > > > > --- Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > That is certainly a beautiful photograph. > However, > > > inappropriate some of the comments here deem the > > > "technical and artistic" aspects of it as > > > "titi-erotical" is doing you and the model a > > > disfavor. > > > While the picture is very nicely done, but > posting > > > it > > > on a global forum inevitably will draw the > > comments > > > that follow. While the person behind the camera > > > should > > > be justifiably proud of the creation of such a > > > picture, the model might feel otherwise as a > > result > > > of > > > the feedback comments. You did warn the model > > > beforehand, or at least got a consentment before > > > posting her picture ..... right ? > > > > > > --- kyle cassidy <kcassidy@asc.upenn.edu> wrote: > > > > >Well said Photo Phreak ... on a subject that > is > > > > >"taboo"... to a point that a woman's beauty, > is > > > > >becoming politically incorrect to comment on. > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with commenting on a > woman > > > (or > > > > anyone's) physical > > > > attractiveness. it is the derisiveness of some > > of > > > > these comments which > > > > bothers me. when you say "wow, nice tits doll" > > you > > > > are not commenting on > > > > someone's beauty, you're deriding them. > > > > > > > > while i'm certainly guilty of objectification > of > > > my > > > > subjects -- and i don't > > > > think that's necessarily wrong -- i do respect > > > them. > > > > they're human beings, > > > > they're my friends, and they've trusted me. > it's > > a > > > > betrayal of that trust if > > > > they then become the victims of oafish > > commentary. > > > > like the photographs or > > > > dislike them, but realize what risks models > take > > > > when they put themselves in > > > > front of our cameras, especially when we ask > > them > > > to > > > > take off their clothes > > > > first; they're making themselves vulnerable > > > because > > > > they trust us to make > > > > something beautiful or meaningful -- as > > > > photographers and (hopefully) > > > > artists we are influencing how people around > us > > > > think and how they behave. > > > > this is an awesome responsibility. i hope that > i > > > do > > > > justice to my subjects > > > > when i represent them. there are enough girls > > out > > > > there every day getting > > > > run over by the modeling industry, who get > > talked > > > > into doing things they > > > > don't really want to do by unscrupulous > people, > > i > > > > don't want to contribute > > > > to that. > > > > > > > > and please remember, this mailing list isn't > ted > > > and > > > > b.d. and me and marc > > > > and whoever sitting on your back porch > drinking > > > beer > > > > at 1:00 in the morning > > > > at a hunting lodge in the remote wilderness of > > > > wyoming, it's a worldwide > > > > forum with thousands of people listening and a > > > > searchable archive. whatever > > > > you think you may be saying to just a few > other > > > > people is going into the > > > > mailboxes of many. > > > > > > > > i may not be serious about much, but i'm > serious > > > > about how photographers > > > > treat their models. and if i've taken someone > > who > > > > trusted me with the image > > > > of their own self worth and opened them up to > > > > mockery, i've failed in that > > > > contract and i need to go back to > photographing > > > > bugs. > > > > > > > > i would suggest that when commenting on > > someone's > > > > physical appearance, even > > > > when you think you are complementing them, > (and > > by > > > > this i mean the royal > > > > "you," meaning "all of us") imagine someone > else > > > is > > > > saying it about your > > > > wife or daughter before you commit it to the > > > public > > > > record. because that's > > > > who we're talking about -- we're talking about > > the > > > > way that we, as artists, > > > > are conditioning the world to look at all > women. > > > > > > > > i happen to think that's a beautiful shot -- > and > > > > were i to see colleen, i'd > > > > say "hey, you look great." > > > > > > > > just my .02 > > > > > > > > kc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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