Re: [Leica] what we talk about when we talk about women

[Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com>]

That is certainly a beautiful photograph. However,
inappropriate some of the comments here deem the
"technical and artistic" aspects of it as 
"titi-erotical" is doing you and the model a disfavor.
While the picture is very nicely done, but posting it
on a global forum inevitably will draw the comments
that follow. While the person behind the camera should
be justifiably proud of the creation of such a
picture, the model might feel otherwise as a result of
the feedback comments. You did warn the model
beforehand, or at least got a consentment before
posting her picture ..... right ?

- --- kyle cassidy <kcassidy@asc.upenn.edu> wrote:
> >Well said Photo Phreak ... on a subject that is
> >"taboo"... to a point that a woman's beauty, is
> >becoming politically incorrect to comment on.
> 
> there's nothing wrong with commenting on a woman (or
> anyone's) physical
> attractiveness. it is the derisiveness of some of
> these comments which
> bothers me. when you say "wow, nice tits doll" you
> are not commenting on
> someone's beauty, you're deriding them.
> 
> while i'm certainly guilty of objectification of my
> subjects -- and i don't
> think that's necessarily wrong -- i do respect them.
> they're human beings,
> they're my friends, and they've trusted me. it's a
> betrayal of that trust if
> they then become the victims of oafish commentary.
> like the photographs or
> dislike them, but realize what risks models take
> when they put themselves in
> front of our cameras, especially when we ask them to
> take off their clothes
> first; they're making themselves vulnerable because
> they trust us to make
> something beautiful or meaningful -- as
> photographers and (hopefully)
> artists we are influencing how people around us
> think and how they behave.
> this is an awesome responsibility. i hope that i do
> justice to my subjects
> when i represent them. there are enough girls out
> there every day getting
> run over by the modeling industry, who get talked
> into doing things they
> don't really want to do by unscrupulous people, i
> don't want to contribute
> to that.
> 
> and please remember, this mailing list isn't ted and
> b.d. and me and marc
> and whoever sitting on your back porch drinking beer
> at 1:00 in the morning
> at a hunting lodge in the remote wilderness of
> wyoming, it's a worldwide
> forum with thousands of people listening and a
> searchable archive. whatever
> you think you may be saying to just a few other
> people is going into the
> mailboxes of many.
> 
> i may not be serious about much, but i'm serious
> about how photographers
> treat their models. and if i've taken someone who
> trusted me with the image
> of their own self worth and opened them up to
> mockery, i've failed in that
> contract and i need to go back to photographing
> bugs.
> 
> i would suggest that when commenting on someone's
> physical appearance, even
> when you think you are complementing them, (and by
> this i mean the royal
> "you," meaning "all of us") imagine someone else is
> saying it about your
> wife or daughter before you commit it to the public
> record. because that's
> who we're talking about -- we're talking about the
> way that we, as artists,
> are conditioning the world to look at all women.
> 
> i happen to think that's a beautiful shot -- and
> were i to see colleen, i'd
> say "hey, you look great."
> 
> just my .02
> 
> kc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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