Re: [Leica] Re: The loss of any member is a loss for us all

["Karina Klaas" <shutterbug@iinet.net.au>]

Yes, I do realise that the whole of LUG is not to blame but if you read
Greenspan postings that it how it appears and I felt uncomfortable because I
know this, to be in part, true - I have followed all critical postings of
Erwin and feel that all of those critisisms were personal, and I do not
refer to the question of his relationship with Leica - I felt that was a
very valid question.  But, all else was a scathing attck on him as an
individual and really it was not necessary - he never elevated himself to
being "Lord".

Here I am singing off rooftops about LUG to a local Leica owner and in
withing 3 days of doing that the very same site she recommends to me
suggests we were the cause of Erwins "retirement".

There are a hundred to one happy stories on LUG but as you put it Eric, one
only ever remembers when the bird s^&s on us.

I do not blame LUG, but it seems that non Luggers do.

Karina

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <ericm@pobox.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:04 PM
Subject: [Leica] Re: The loss of any member is a loss for us all


> Karina:
>
> >I was on the Greenspan website/forum
> >this morning and the news of Erwin's resignation has been blamed entirely
on
> >LUG.
>
> So?  In my opinion--and I know that my post here won't change anybody
> else's--the LUG is not to blame.  What do I care if some faceless people I
> don't know think that the entire LUG is at fault?
>
> This isn't a LUG-caused issue.  One person typed an unnecessary insult.
It
> could have been on any mailing list or in any forum.  It turns out that it
> was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.  So if we want to
> place blame, should we place it on that insult?  No.  That was just one
> instance.  There were just too many instances and Erwin decided it wasn't
> worth his grief anymore.  It's not like he was squeaky clean, either.
>
> He seemed to do pretty good at dishing back insults from the security of
his
> read-only list.  In my opinion--and again I'm not going to change anybody
> else's mind--that's worse than hashing it out in a public forum.  Attack
> somebody but don't allow rebuttals.  I don't understand why Erwin just
> didn't ignore the crap and continue doing what he does so well.
>
> It's easier to criticize than create work worth criticizing.  So there
will
> always be more critics than people producing work.  I don't remember who
> said it, but I'm going to steal the line, anyway.  :)  Erwin needs to
> remember that they never build statues in honor of the critics.  (And even
> once you have a statue, some pigeon will always fly along and take a crap
on
> it.)
>
>
> Eric
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