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Subject: Re: [Leica] Did Leica miss the boat on the M7 viewfinder?
From: "Christopher Williams" <LeicaChris@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:35:03 -0600
References: <20020405021234.60974.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com>

The M's are my primary system. I guess I'll have to learn to live with my
"limited" range of 12 to 135mm.

As for longer tele fast lenses with Leica M, who the hell could afford a
Leica M 300 2.8? What's the price, $6000? or more?

Chris Williams
New Orleans


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Javier Perez" <summarex@yahoo.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Did Leica miss the boat on the M7 viewfinder?


> Focusing very fast long lenses is a problem
> if you have high res optics and want to make
> large prints. With a long enough base and
> magnification you could focus them more accurately
> than you could with the eye through a viewfinder.
> This is right up Leitz' alley if the should choose
> to develop it.
>
> As for the M system being near useless,
> if you call being limited to focal lengths from 15 to
> 135 and no CV zooming useful, stick with it.  As for
> me, I like to take long shots on occasion without
> having to bring along a second system.;-))Finally, ask
> yourself why about 90% of the people on this list have
> another system, usually reflex and it's usually their
> primary system.
> Later
> Javier
>
>
>
> --- Mark Cohen <markc@binaryfaith.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Javier,
> >
> > I find it interesting that you claim the M system to
> > be near useless. How
> > can a viewfinder make a system useless or near
> > useless? Why would a 300m
> > f2.8 lens make a near useless sytem less useless?
> >
> > I for one find the M system to be many times more
> > usefull than any other
> > camera.
> >
> > For what its worth, I shoot or have shot a very wide
> > variety of cameras.
> > From process cameras in printing to digital cameras.
> > (16x20, 8x10, 4x5,
> > Hasselblad 500c, Mamiya RB/RZ 67, Rollei 35, Leica M
> > sytem and R system,
> > Pentax 6x7, Pentax K1000, and Holga/Diana cameras.
> >
> > Im sorry you think the M system isn't a usefull
> > system, maybe some day you
> > will figure out how to use it. ;)
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Javier Perez wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > A zoom viewfinder is something they should offer
> > as an
> > > option for those who need it. If they don't offer
> > it,
> > > it's because they are stupid. A zoom VF would open
> > the
> > > near useless M system to a whole new range of fast
> > > long lenses. Taking it to an extreme they could
> > corner
> > > the largely non existent high speed telephoto RF
> > > market. I'm certain an RF small enough to fit on
> > top
> > > of a camera chassis that can focus a 300 2.8 more
> > > accurately than TTL is doable.
> > > Javier
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mark Cohen <markc@binaryfaith.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. Zoom lenses don't compare to fixed focal
> > length
> > > > lenses for sharpness.
> > > > Why would leica want to reduce the quality of
> > their
> > > > M line?
> > > > 2. The viewfinder in the M series has always
> > been
> > > > the way it is because a
> > > > ajor selling point for the M was the ability to
> > see
> > > > more information in
> > > > the frame so that you could compose
> > intelligently. A
> > > > zoom finder would
> > > > degrade that ability.
> > > > 3. If you want a zoom finder in a rangefinder,
> > why
> > > > not get a Contax G2?
> > > >
> > > > It would be a quantum leap for leica to do what
> > you
> > > > suggested, a leap
> > > > _backwards_
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, jfrankel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From what I can tell, Leica did not use a zoom
> > > > view finder on the new M7.
> > > > > Was this a mistake?
> > > > > Could they have ushered in a new generation of
> > M
> > > > zoom lenses?
> > > > > Could they have made a zoom viewfinder that
> > would
> > > > have been backwards
> > > > > compatible with existing lenses?
> > > > > It seems to me that a new M number would be a
> > good
> > > > time to take this quantum
> > > > > leap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
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