RE: [Leica] natural war

["Jeffery Smith" <jsmith45@bellsouth.net>]

Two guys approaching 60 in a p***ing match? You'd better stand pretty close
to each other. Even then, it's likely to turn into a fa**ing match. <g>

Jeffery Smith
New Orleans, LA



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of B. D. Colen
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:14 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] natural war
>
>
> Well, George, I am absolutely NOT going to get into a p*****g match with
> you...;-)....I too hope that one of these days humankind comes to
> its senses
> and we have a world without racism, sexual abuse, serial killing, flying
> airplanes into buildings, and war. HOWEVER, I would argue that serial
> killing is a perversion, not a natural state or activity, and flying
> airplanes into buildings is an extremely rare and bizarre
> behavior. Racism,
> unfortunately, seems pretty natural and obviously has a great deal to do
> with fear of the different, and the ugly human need to look down
> on another
> person or group - and sexual abuse is, I suppose, failure of societal
> taboos.
>
> Anyway, it would be nice if we could eliminate all these ills, natural or
> otherwise.
>
> But, hey, someone has nominated George W. Bush and Tony Blair for
> the Nobel
> Peace Prize for waging war on terrorism and bringing peace to the world.
> Guess I must have missed the day they accomplished the later. ;-)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of George
> Lottermoser
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:58 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Leica] natural war
>
>
> bdcolen@earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)2/4/022:43 PM
>
> > Well, George...Sad as it may be, re-read your list and consider
> > when in human history there was a time and place when each of
> > those items wasn't on the list. War is horrible and ugly, and
> > inhumane - but quite obviously not inhuman. There seems to be
> > something about the human animal - and maybe it
> > is our animal nature - that repeatedly drives us to war,
> > despite all the eons worth of information we have indicating
> > what a stupid, disastrous, activity it is. Would that it were
> > not so.
>
> I will preface this note with my sincere and utmost respect for
> your thoughtfulness, consitency, realism and pragmatism on almost
> every subject you comment on. When you speak, I listen.
>
> And I must agree that war seems a very human, possibly only human
> (and some of those ants, I guess) endeavor. I simply must hope
> that it doesn't fall into the category of "natural" behavior; and
> further that we humans will, at some point get the "stupid,
> disaterous" part of your message. I have a hard time imagining
> stupid, disasterous behavior as natural. I guess I'm the pervert.
>
> Maybe we should add:
> racisim is as natural as breathing
> sexual abuse is as natural as breathing
> serial killing is as natural as breathing
> flying commercial airliners full of passengers into office towers
> is as natural as breathing
> etc
>
> On topic - The best documentary photography (journalism, cinema,
> etc.) for me, has always served as a barometer to illustrate
> through comparison and contrast the line between the healthy and
> natural and perverse.
>
> George
>
>
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