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Subject: Re: [Leica] Cappuccino makers
From: "Greg J. Lorenzo" <gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:57:42 -0700
References: <MBBBJHIBKCKEAEOKKBPOAEEKCGAA.bdcolen@earthlink.net>

B. D.,

You forgot black tape and Bokeh.

Regards,

Greg

B. D. Colen wrote:

>Residual Oil Remover - for cleaning LENSES!
>
>Okay, I am in a REALLY cranky mood, having loaded up on steroids to fight a
>bad asthma siege. But...Doesn't anyone else here find it surprising, perhaps
>shocking, maybe appalling, or even down right revolting, that this damn list
>can be jammed up for going on three days with totally inane chatter about
>cappuccino makers and Starbucks, but everyone seems to have their nits in a
>twit because there are "too many" posts relating to the PHOTOGRAPHS that
>list members post?
>
>Think about, folks.
>
>This isn't a photography list - it's a consumerism list:
>Cappuccino makers, Starbucks, Tilly hats, Mephisto shoes, high-priced
>Scotch, coffee brands, BMWs, Mercedes, blah blah blah blah. Oh yah, and Red
>Dots.
>
>:-<  :-<  :-<
>
>B. D.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Joseph
>Codispoti
>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:23 PM
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Cappuccino makers
>
>
>Tim,
>
>although my post was long and rather pedantic, I had not escaped me that
>your comment was meant as a teaser.
>
>As for ClearSight vs. ROR, who is ROR? (double smiley)
>
>Cheers,
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Atherton" <tim@KairosPhoto.com>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Cappuccino makers
>
>
>Trust the LUG eh Joseph... - did you by any chance notice my little
>smiley...!
>
>BTW - I can even get Lavazza in Yellowknife.
>
>What about Cafe a lait... ;-)
>
>
>tim
>
>Now - which is the best lens cleaner - Clearsight or ROR... JUST KIDDING -
>we all know which
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph Codispoti" <joecodi@clearsightusa.com>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Cappuccino makers
>
>
>>From: "Tim Atherton" <tim@KairosPhoto.com>
>>
>>
>>>yess, but the Italians only seem to make sissy looking cappuccino
>>>
>makers,
>
>>>whereas my Krups not only looks great in it's all M6 black chrome look,
>>>
>it
>
>>>also makes better cappuccino than all my friends machines who have fancy
>>>Italian ones... :-)
>>>
>>>tim a
>>>
>>
>>Sorry Tim but you are threading on thin ice.
>>
>>The Krups machine is a not a full fledged cappuccino maker. For that it
>>would need to have a boiler (it does) and a *heat exchanger* (it does
>>
>not).
>
>>You see, the heat exchanger is held within the boiler and it hold the
>>
>water
>
>>(about 2-3 ounces) that makes the coffee and is heated by the boiler water
>>which is used just for the steam.
>>The water temperature within the exchanger hovers at around 200F, while
>>
>the
>
>>steam water is held under pressure at just under boiling point. If the
>>exchanger water is too hot, the coffee will be "scorched".
>>
>>The Italian espresso industry started with Desidero Pavoni who acquired
>>
>the
>
>>patent for his machine from Bezzera in 1903. As for "sissy Italian
>>cappuccino makers", you should look into the myriad brands available from
>>Italy. My Cappuccino maker is made in Solvang, California by Salvatore, an
>>immigrant tool and die maker. Take a look at his site:
>>http://www.salvatore-espresso.com/  Salvatore has just finished a
>>one-of-a-kind machine for the head of an e-trade company in San Josè in
>>gold-plated hammered copper.
>>
>>Aside of the popular brand of home machines such as Pavoni (Peacock),
>>
>Gaggia
>
>>has an excellent all-metal model called Coffee Gaggia, it "brews circles"
>>around Krups (eh eh).
>>The top Italian coffee brands are Illy and Lavazza, both available in
>>
>North
>
>>America.
>>Lavazza http://www.lavazza.com/ is all organic including the decaf which
>>uses the Swiss water process.
>>Illy www.illyusa.com uses nitrogen charged containers to keep the ground
>>coffee fresh for up to three years or until opened.
>>
>>Some espresso terminology:
>>  a.. Espresso: Coffee that is extracted through high pressure
>>  b.. Cappuccino: (literally "little cap"): espresso with foamed milk cap
>>  c.. Caffè latte: espresso with foamed milk
>>  d.. Latte (US term): espresso with lots of foamed milk
>>  e.. Ristretto: reduced portion (about 1/2 ounce) for intravenous
>>consumption
>>  f.. Normale: regular portion (1 ounce)
>>  g.. Lungo: diluted portion (about 1-1/2 ounce) for the wimpy
>>  h.. Corretto: fortified with liqueur (grappa, cognac, schnapps)
>>  i.. Crema: the layer of orange/tan foam topping the espresso
>>  j.. Salute: here is to you (but you drink it yourself)
>>In Italy a latte and cappuccino are the same thing.
>>Good coffees are those that do not have oil traces on the surface of the
>>bean. The oil is suposed to remain within the bean.
>>
>>Joe Codispoti
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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