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Subject: RE: [Leica] going beyond family photography
From: "B. D. Colen" <>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:49:01 -0500

Damn, Steve - I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or mean this last
time...Sorry...AND I hadn't read the message carefully enough and thought I
was responding to another Steve...Not Doctor Steve..;-)

And as to raising the standards, my point was that taking photos of nudes,
trees, and sidewalk cafes has nothing to do with raising standards. We raise
the standards by working at our photography every time we make photos; by
thinking about what we are shooting and why we are shooting it; by carefully
thinking about what we want the photo to look like before we push the
shutter release; and by making sure that there is some meaning to the images
we are making. Seriousness depends upon the photographer, not the subject.


- -----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] going beyond family photography

Actually BD... I do understand and truly could not agree  more.

You do have a compelling  and discrete way of saying it.

I am afraid that if we raise the standards higher, my own images will fall
further from the mark.....

What I like about this forum is that it is the intellectual  (internet)
equivalent of cafes in Paris early in the  (last) century... but what do I

It's like life... if you have a tough hide,  you can learn from it.


> Come on, Steve, you of all people know what I'm saying - even if I have
> it in a loud rude manner..;-)
> B. D.

> Geeze,  Louise's always with  hesitation that I announce my
> PAW... now I'm putting on my flak jacket,  man.
> Steve

BD suggested...

> > Eric - Keep doing what you are doing! This "serious photography" thing
> > such total and utter crap I don't know where to begin in trying to deal
> with
> > it.
> >
> > Why is taking a shot of a nude "serious photography," when shooting a
> mother
> > and child isn't? Why is taking a bunch of mediocre tourist photos of a
> > European city "serious photography" when doing good photography of your
> > family isn't?"
> >
> > I'll make a lot more enemies than I probably already have on this list
> and
> > say that the vast majority of what is taken and posted here is
> > mediocre, run of the mill snap shots that everyone either ooooos and
> aaaaahs
> > over, or, as has more recently been the case, plays art critic with -
> > I'm not making an claims to seriousness or greatness myself, believe
> But
> > there is this really sad belief that if one goes out and takes a
> basically
> > crappy photo of a bum in the street, but uses a Leica, it's a "serious
> > photograph." Or if one takes an utterly vapid shot of two people
> in
> > a public place, it's meaningful "street photography." Sorry guys,

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