Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/12/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Now are we talking about the same thing here? I mean if I talk about pushing and pulling film I would compensate the processing as well. Or are you saying that even with compensated development the results are poor...? I will agree that the charachteristics of the film change dramatically when pushing or pulling too much be I get useable negs. BUT I will say I have never gone beyond 2 stops when pushing then adjust processing accordingly... I'm just wondering if some comments are being made as in expose your film @ 200, 320, 800 asa then just process as normal. Vs Truly pushing or pulling and adjust processing. The first method is just over or under exposing not really pushing or pulling... - -- John Chicago, IL http://SlideOne.com ==================== on 12/26/01 1:12 PM, Mark Rabiner at mark@markrabiner.com wrote: > "B. D. Colen" wrote: >> >> XP2 is wonderful stuff, but based on personal experience, I'd advise >> against pushing it to 800 - you can pull it to just about anywhere you >> want, but I have found that at 800 it's just too damn tbin to be of much >> real use. Maybe it's me, but I tend not to think so. >> >> B. D. >> >> <Snip> > > I'd advise against pulling it as well. > I don't push nor pull my ColorNeg film. > So i don't push nor pull my XP2. > Which makes sense as it is basically with same stuff, Chromegic film > only with one layer. > My advise is treat your XP2 as thou treats your ColorNeg. > I think that because i know there are a few people how DO push and pull > their color neg and I'm not prepared to criticized their experience, it > just don't work for me or most the people i know at the color rental lab > i go to over the decades and have gotten an amazing amount of feedback > from with everyone from a variety of background trying out the same > technology… > I think this because i know there are people who actually modify the C41 > formula with a modified first developer and so on. > > Although we think of color film processing as a craft and not an art > like in black and white there are people heavy enough into the chemistry > end to modify the formulas and procedures of E6 and C41 and I'd guess > they came up with superior results. > Rodinal for a first developer or some such thing. > > When XP1 and Agfa's version of a chromegic monochrome film came out > they both competed with each other with what an amazing innovation they > both might be. > "Shoot it at any ASA!" they said from 32 to 64000!!!!!! > Well from what everyone i knew at the color lab quickly learned was that > any over exposure at all of the stuff resulted in bulletproof negs. You > turn your enlarger light on and go have lunch and hope the bulb didn't > burn out. > Any under exposure resulted in shadow detail that was left up to the > imagination. > > So my advise now is to expose it at 400 at least as carefully as you > expose black and white, probably more so. > My "zone" system for color neg is a contracted version of my black and > white zone system by one stop in either direction. I know some would disagree. > In my black and white "zone" system i feel like i get 2 stops in either > direction for detail. A five stop range. > In ColorNeg and chromegic i feel like i get one stop in either > direction: A 3 stop range. > So if i was shooting a bunch of charcoal brickets I'd stop down one if > by chromegic; two if by black and white. > A pile of white linen I'd open one if by chromegic, two if by black and white. > If my white linin was F16 and my charcoal brickets read F5.6 then one of > em's gotta go or i switch to real black and white film. > That's how i pre see it. > > > Mark Rabiner > Portland, Oregon USA > http://www.markrabiner.com > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html