RE: [Leica]: Vs: digital

["Colin" <CJV@home.com>]

I was at the Photo Expo in New York on Friday.  Canon had an interesting
digital photography exhibition.  They stuck a model in a small studio
setup, gave a photographer a D30 (Canon's "consumer" digital SLR, of
modest specs), and started taking pictures.  The D30 does not use
special lenses; it uses EOS lenses.  The photographer was using the
28-135mm zoom.  Moments after the picture was taken, it was transmitted
to large video screens for the audience to see.  The photos were then
printed out on one of Canon's high-end wide-paper printers.  They came
out poster-sized, perhaps two feet by three feet - larger than anything
I'd try with a 35mm camera.  They  passed the prints around; the prints
were beautiful - lovely color, lovely contrast, nice sharpness, even
from very close up.  The photographer explained that he was using only
jpeg's, and not RAW or whatever images.  The guy printing the stuff out
said all he did was about 30 seconds worth of Photoshop work - a little
resize, a little crop, a little sharpening.  

I'd like to be able to do this with my M camera, or something similar.  

But you're right, in the end the pictures had all these false pixels and
stuff.  It was awful.  I can't believe they went in public and
humiliated themselves with that technology.  Really appalling. 

C. 
http://www.availabledark.com


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[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jim Brick
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:40 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us; leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Leica] Re: Re: Vs: digital


At 06:56 AM 11/5/2001 +0000, George Day wrote:

>"not compatible"?  Whatever. Seems to work just fine for the well over 
>90% of photojournalists shooting Nikon and Canon digital.  I'm sure it 
>would be quite adequate.  These are lenses, not spiritual beings.


Unfortunately, George, you are not aware of the technology involved in 
digital sensors and lens resolution/MTF frequencies. Instead of me 
attempting to explain all of this to you, go to:

http://www.schneideroptics.com/white/kina.htm

and see why Schneider (and Rodenstock, and others) make lenses DESIGNED
FOR 
digital sensors.

Then go read about the Nyquist limitation at:

http://www.opus1.com/~violist/help/nyquist.html

Nyquist's theorem: A theorem, developed by H. Nyquist, which states that
an 
analog signal waveform may be uniquely reconstructed, without error,
from 
samples taken at equal time intervals. The sampling rate must be equal
to, 
or greater than, "twice" the highest frequency component in the analog
signal.

In terms of lens resolution on digital sensors, it means that there must
be 
at least twice as many pixels per mm as the maximum resolution (lp/mm)
of 
the lens. If this is not true, the information gathered will be either 
partially or completely in error, and always aliased. See figure 4 in
the 
Schneider white paper. Modern Leica lenses have more resolution than can
be 
handled by digital sensors. They cannot make pixels small enough to be
at a 
frequency twice that of the resolution of Leica lenses. Five square
microns 
is about the limit of a pixel that can record enough light to produce a 
quality dot. And don't forget that it takes four pixels to record a
single 
COLOR dot (pixel).

The problem is that folks who do not understand the limits of digital 
electronics vs analog signals are moaning and groaning as to why Leica 
doesn't get with it and produce a digital M mount camera. They could 
certainly OEM a high level digital camera and put an M mount on it. But 
why? They would also have to but a resolution reducing filter behind the

lens in order to produce good digital photographs. So why bother? The 
Panasonic Leica digital camera soon to be on the shelves has a Leica
lens 
which is specifically designed to match the resolution capabilities of
the 
digital sensor.

There is no full size digital sensor made with a pixel size small enough
to 
take advantage of Leica lenses. Actually the reverse is true. Leica
lenses 
will cause the recording of false information via these sensors.

There is certainly more to it that simply bolting an M lens on to a
camera 
containing a digital sensor.

Over and out!

Jim
  

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