Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/10/19

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Homepages / crtique / smoking in the us of a.
From: Walter S Delesandri <>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:40:54 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

Rei, thanks for the heads up on what sounds like a great book,
And Mikko, for the record, smokers in america are looked upon with about the 
same regard as child molesters----adulterers, thieves, embezzlers, etc..rank 
above the smoker.  In most newer areas, there is NO smoking permitted 
in any establishment.  Only CA has a "law", but if all chain stores and 
restaurant require their individual operators to ban smoking, then the result is 
the same as a law.
We have neurotic views about health in our country...eating a steak and drinking 
hard liquor is seen as acceptable, but smoking an after-dinner cigar is not.
Wearing seat belts is mandatory, but preventative health care for our people is 
spotty, at best.  
If you go to the doctor with a broken wrist encountered while biking or skating, 
both healthful activities, don't tell him that you smoked a cigarette on the way to 
the emergency room.......he'll find some way to tie that in to your injury!!!

As for the constant anectdotal (sp) evidence by someone who has just lost a 
loved one to whatever disease, first, I share in your grief, for whatever loss, 
however, my "uncle" died from heart disease some years back...he probably ate 
lots of bacon and cheeseburgers, and had a 'beer belly'.....but I don't hear 
anyone screaming about banning McDonalds, or beer, or....................

I refuse to donate to any establishment (most recently NPR-KERA radio in Dallas) 
that doesn't provide comfortable indoor accodomations for the quarter of our 
population that smokes (something)...and I  ONLY frequent restaurants that do 
the same.  After several shooting/vacation trips to California in the past, 
they have seen the last of my meager funds....etc. etc. etc....

The rest of you do as you must, with your own money.......

If you're a smoker from Europe or Asia, and you desire to come to our country 
for vacation, PLEASE inquire as to smoking restrictions BEFORE you choose an 
area/hotel/etc....our businesses WILL NOT volunteer such information...and you 
could be in for some surprises......PLEASE tell the potential travel agent/etc. 
of your desires, and let them know you will not spend money if you're not 
welcome...if you do not smoke, but someone in your party does, please keep this 
in mind as well.

"When they came for the Jews, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew"............

Best to you and yours 

<> wrote:
> mikko,
> maybe this can explain us kooky americans better:
>   "Any sensual pleasure that can be edifying or life-enhancing is
>    celebrated.  On the other hand, any pleasure that is counterproductive or
>    dangerous is judged harshly.  So exercise is celebrated, but smoking is
>    now considered a worse sin than at least 5 of the 10 commandments...
>    ...we use the word _guilt_ more often in connection with unhealthy goods--
>    high fat, high sodium or high calorie--than in any other context."
>                               David Brooks, _Bobos in Paradise_ (2000):
> (very funny book, by the way)
> -rei
> > From: "Mikko Kalavainen" <>
> > 
> > Oooh boy. I didn't think *anyone* would comment on that one... It's
> > strange, because here in Finland we still get to smoke quite freely, in
> > bars etc...
> > I'll see what I can do. I will put out my cigarette if someone asks me
> > to in real life, so why wouldn't I do it in the Inertnet also?
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