Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/10/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ok, I'll bite the hook. Why should Leica build a line of second tier? I can buy a couple of thousand M3's to M4's in any condition from a train wreck survivor to some collector piece still in plastic. The things just don't die. Drop them from a plane and Sherry will put it back together. Want a M3 finder on a M6 TTL and you could probably do it. Want it in hammertone and you can send it to Japan. Lenses? You can go back to the early 30's and buy a lens manufactured by the best in the business however you define that; Zeiss, Leica, Canon, Nikon, Reid, Kodak through their optical proxies, Schneider, OK maybe not Rodenstock, Fuji, Konica, Minolta, the list goes on. There is not a 35mm camera made that has such a huge lens selection available. The widest lens made, 12mm to whatever telescope you want to mount on your Viso. The real deal is we and I mean human beings just don't want to pay the price for the best. So we settle for second best thus lowering volumes for those producers of the best and driving up the prices of the best. That's the history of Leica imitators, the brand of your choice is almost as good a Leica and it's cheaper. So where are all the whatever's today? Nikon is a subsidiary of Mitsubishi?, Canon is really an electronics company, Minolta is sliding off the radar screen, Olympus is making a run in digital, and Zeiss Ikon is gone. For anybody in the manufacturing business real quality gets very expensive when the volumes are low. (An interesting aside is that in high volume quality actually cuts costs). In fairness to the SLR business the SL and SL2 just keep on shooting and the only camera with a better viewfinder is the R8. So the question on the table is, why doesn't Leica build an almost as good Leica and sell it for less? I believe they tried that in the 70's with the CL. It was not a successful experiment. I think that Sonny C is the only one on this list still actively shooting with his, yet a good many on this list will still pull out a III something to shoot because it's smaller or quieter. Yet, we humans bought a lot of low profit CL's because they were "almost as good and I don't need a fast lens anyway". Because we didn't buy very many M's Leica almost went out of business. Poor decision making in other areas also heavily contributed to the very sick finances at the time. As far as lenses go, the low cost lenses are out there either used or from Cosina. Does anyone think that Leica wants to be known for sorta good lenses? Someone else has already complained about the ELCAN lenses which were cheapened to hit a contract price/performace request. As for quality in a military objective, anybody look through a TOW site lately? The lower priced companion model only works when the step up models are what are sold or the real money is in accessories. We all laugh at the re-badged Panasonics masquerading as Leica's so I don't think the cheesy second camera to drive us to the M_ is going to work. Examples that do work are cars where almost nobody buys the base unit. The other example is ink jet printers where the printers are loss leaders and the ink writes large profits to the manufacturer. The other wish from the comments on the list is for an M with autoadvance, oops its there in the motor or rapidwinder. We want autoexposure, well, there is the Konica or the CLE. We want higher synch speed and it's out there in a R8. I don't think I would get too many second shots with the twinky light twinking. To sum up this rant, for taking really great pictures in the existing light as unobtrusively as possible there is no better camera out there than an M Leica or one of it's proxies. If it changes too much then it is not a M camera anymore. For me, the TTL is just too big. I wish they could make an M the size of my F. Ah, I feel much better. Anybody else make it to the end? Don Dory dorysrus@mindspring.com - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html