Re: [Leica] Terror

[Phil Marcus <pmarcus@swbell.net>]

While they're praying for peace, please ask them to pray without detonators.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Javad Fatemi" <jfatemi@gfigmbh.de>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: AW: [Leica] Terror


> Hi,
>
> I don't want to begin a descussion. I'm with the people in the States like
my brother and cousin who live in NYC. But I don't think that the whole
problem is the educating the people. One should look to the root of the
problem, why there are people, who celebrate this crazy, mad attack. I think
the US-Goverment, because it is the only world power, is attacked, because
the people see that the USA supports someone like Sharon, who's suspected to
be a mass murder. I think, the US foreign policy in the last 6 month plays a
big role. Hey, look at the world: The US i the only power, there are
Palestinians, who think and pray for peace, not only these people but the
people of Israel too. But what  is the reaction of the Americans. Only
support for Sharon. We have to think about a world in 20-30 years. Hey, we
have to think of our childs and the next generation. Is it possible, to make
Afghanistan totally like a earthquake-region? The question is, could it be
the solution?
>
> At the moment the German Chancler is talking about the 'American War'. War
against whom? In 1996 there was Oklahoma City. The first re-actions were
thtat Arabs (I'm not one) and then the others were responsible for it. After
a few days it came out that it was an Aerican group. What I want to say
isthat we have first to find out who was responsible for this attack and
then try to find out what we can do.
>
> Guys, what I want to say is that we have to investigate and find out who's
responsible for this.
>
> Sorry for this, but I think at the moment no one is thinking about Leica
and so on....
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tarek Charara [mailto:tarek.charara@wanadoo.fr]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2001 15:07
> An: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Betreff: Re: [Leica] Terror
>
>
> le 12.09.2001 12:13, B. D. Colen ŕ bdcolen2001@yahoo.ca a écrit :
>
> > Laura wrote:
> >> The only way to get out of horror is to educate a
> >> whole generation out of
> >> hate. I couldn't stand
> >> today's scenes on TV showing all those palestinian
> >> kids and women
> >> celebrating in the streets.
> >> Unfortunately, I don't see nor hear any world leader
> >> talking about the
> >> urgency of educating children out of hate,
> >> as it was done in Germany during the so called
> >> de-nazification process.
> >>
> >
> > You forget, Laura, that that process was begun AFTER
> > Nazi Germany was turned to rubble. It's a little late
> > now to talk about re-educating the cheering children.
> > Now is the time to make it very very painfully clear
> > to the parents of those children, and the governments
> > of those parents, that there is an enormous and
> > horrific price to pay for engaging in, or supporting
> > the kind of acts which were carried out yesterday.
> > THEN we can all talk about re-educating children.
> >
> > B. D.
>
>
> Maybe it's time to put things into perspective. First of all I would like
to
> say that I am totally against violence of any sort and against any sort of
> extremism. I'm still shocked about what happened yesterday.
>
> - These barbaric terror acts have been prepared by intelligent,
> well-prepared people. This is not just a terror act, it's the proof that
any
> man that is willing to die can create chaos beyond belief.
>
> - The media has its way of manipulating things. A bunch of extremist
> children, women and men chanting and dancing or whatever are hardly
> representative of a population as a whole. I would be very careful with
what
> is shown on TV. Having lived in the Middle-East, I can tell you that most
of
> the time these manifestations are organised for the media.
>
> - Religeous extremism is almost always the result of poverty, opression
etc.
> Example: Iran and the Shah regime. The palestinians (in palestine) have
been
> opressed and reduced to poverty for the last 50 years, living in a state
of
> apartheid and racism. (The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz, Davar
> 17.12.1982, should give you an idea about Israeli politics, the writings
of
> Israel Shahak also). Some of them, desperate, have turned to islamic
> extremism, having no fear of death or blowing themselves up. What do you
> want to do? Kill them?.... What do they care? Kill their families and
other
> innocent people (as proposed by israeli government) and you become
barbaric
> yourself.
>
> - Usama ben Laden is a renegade terrorist. He's very rich, very
intelligent
> and very mad. He decided that the USA represent the evil that supports a
> racist and fascist country called Israel that is, in his mind, the cause
of
> all the trouble in the middle-east. His hope, I think, is that the
conflict
> will escalate and include middle-eastern countries that are more on the
> moderate side. Will he succeed?
>
> - These acts are the proof that no country is safe against desparate
> kamikaze terrorists.
>
> - Maybe the USA should review it's foreign policy. I was wondering if all
of
> this would have happened if Palestinians and Israelis had signed the Peace
> treaty due to the efforts of G.W.Bush...
>
> In the end it's all about suffering. How can anybody expect that the
> suffering will end by retaliation? There is enough war already in the
world.
> Who benefits from it? Certainly not us regular folks!
>
> Tarek, disgusted.
>