Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/07/27

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Glass issues
From: "Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:46:07 +0200
References: <B787A7E2.C66%imxputs@ision.nl>

It seems to me that the real issue with a filter is whether or not the glass is
truly flat and appropriately coated.  If it is flat, the index of refraction and
dispersion shouldn't make any difference, anyway.  And coating can hold down
flare.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Puts" <imxputs@ision.nl>
To: "LUG" <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 08:21
Subject: [Leica] Glass issues


> The current discussion about the quality of filters and the differences in
> glass manufacturer is to a large extent based on partial information, and in
> danger of being wrongly interpreted.
> Some basics.
> Every optical glass is defined by two properties: index of refraction and
> dispersion (referred to as the Abbe number).
> If you would look in a glass catalogue of a major manufacturer (as example
> Schott) you will see a glass map, which has on the horizontal dimansion the
> Abbe number and on the vertical axis the Refraction value. All types of
> glass can be located within this coordinate system. Glass wih a specific
> combination of Abbe number and Refractive index can be identified by a name
> or a number: for some glass Schott calls it BK7, Corning calls it B-16-64,
> Hoya calls it BSC-7, O'Hara calls it BSL-7 and the official designation is "
> 517624".
> Whatever you name it and who will produce it, all relevant characteristics
> are identical. There are of course differences in glass composition, thermal
> processing, homogeneity and stain resistance etc.
> But the optical properties are identical.
> If a filter company needs glass with some specifications, they will specify
> the requirements and select a glass. It does not matter at all whether this
> glass is provided by Hoya, Schott (in Germany or Malaisia), Corning or Ohara
> or Minolta or you name it. Sometimes the Schott version of the glass is
> better sometimes Ohara or Hoya.
>
> While most companies manufacture glass that has been created by Schott,
> there are also many glass types by Hoya or others that have no equivalent in
> the Schott catalogue.
>
> The whole discussion about the quality of glass being related to a
> manufacturer is wrong. You have to look at the specifications and then
> select a manufacturer that is closest to these specs.
> While Schott is still the reference, there are many glass types from others
> who surpass the Schott glass.
> The idea that a filter made from Schott glass must be superior to one made
> from Hoya glass is untenable.
>
> In fact many lens desigersoften  prefer Hoya glass and not Schott glass even
> when the numbers are identical, because the characteristics of the Hoya
> glass are superior to the Schott glass for the application.
>
> Remember too that glass is made in four categories of quality. So Schott
> glass of class 2 is not as good as Hoya glass category four.
>
>
> You have to study the glass catalogues and the characteristics to be sure of
> what a glass does. There is not a one to one correspondence between
> manufacturer-glass type-quality.
>
>
> Erwin
>

In reply to: Message from Erwin Puts <imxputs@ision.nl> ([Leica] Glass issues)