Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/07/20

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Subject: RE: [Leica] New Newsletter
From: "Mehrdad Sadat" <m.sadat@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:35:05 -0700

Erwin, I read your email regarding the RF and it seems you got a littlie bit
of work ahead of you? Is it possible to align the Konica RF? if so? would
the results be different? Would u be kind do go the extra mile to close this
matter. Also the calibration method(?) or amount would be interesting to
know.


How do I get a hold of your konica 35/2 test report
_____________________________________
Thanks, Mehrdad

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[Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:28 AM
[To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[Subject: [Leica] New Newsletter
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[In the past two months, while silent on the Lug (for obvious reasons), I
[have produced a newsletter for a small group of people, who have a keen
[interest in the optics, mechanics, engineering, secrets and use of
[mechanical precision engineered 35mm camera systems. With these
[afficionados I discussed topics like: a indepth test of the new Hexanon
[2/35 lens, the philosophical and ergonomical differences between the M6
[and the Hexar RF, the essence of the SLR and RF viewing systems, the
[engineering arguments behind the Hexar/Leica incompatibility, the
[artistic differences between Provia100, Kchrome 64, the issue of film
[flatness, the concept of depth of focus, and so on. Find below an
[excerpt from the latest newsletter.
[If you are interested in receiving the newsletter, send me an email with
[your address and topics you may wish to have discussed in the future. It
[is free, no $18 fee for this service.
[
[
[###
[Having established in previous newsletters that there is more to
[Konica/Leica lens compatibility than the simple measurement of the
[distance from flange to pressure plate, I did some further research, now
[testing in real life with 100 ISO slide film all leica lenses from 24 to
[135mm on a calibrated M6 and a factory provided Hexar, which had the
[distance from pressure plate to flange of 27.95mm, thus identical to
[Leica but differing from the Konica specs.
[As you recall, the Lug was very quick to some simple checks, which in my
[view were done not to find the truth, but to 'prove' that nothing is
[wrong. This view has been canonized in Nemeng's FAQ.
[My results are different. I used a tripod, a high resolution test chart
[and a measured distance of 4 meters. All Leica lenses on Leica body were
[focused manually several times and the average setting on the distance
[ring calculated. All lenses were within 3% of the factual distance and
[the slides showed accurate focus under the microscope at the 40X
[enlargement. The Leica lenses on the Konica body showed on average a
[misalignent of close to 10% and that consistently over all lenses.
[I did a special study of the 75mm lens, but not at the allegedly
[critical setting of 1 meter (which is not that critical if you study the
[shape of the curve). The 3 meter setting is more critical. I first set
[the Leica body and the 75mm on the tripod etc. Made a series of pictures
[and then I kept this distance setting carefully when using the lens on
[the Hexar. Results (microscope) showed a loss of micro contrast, a drop
[in edge sharpness and a loss of the very fine detail, including closely
[spaced lines. Then I refocused the 75mm using the Hear RF system.
[Results were truly bad: slides were unsharp and only the gross outlines
[of the test patterns could be detected. I also used the 75mm/hexar at 1
[meter distance. Results were much more acceptable, but not really good,
[but not knowing the other results could mislead you in assuming  that
[the focus was within range.
[
[I did this test three times on several days, using several films and
[creating every time a new setting and so tried to eliminate any specific
[bias. Of course this test is not conclusive, but it does indicate that
[the Lug has been too quick to bury the subject. But as Bob Dylan used to
[sing: sleep well, Mr President.
[
[The monster test of the BW films is underway.
[I had some old rolls of Panatomic-X (20 years old), the film that
[introduced high resolution acutance photography to 35mm users. I also
[used the Maco UP25, 64 and 100, which are all versions of the classical
[Adox high actance series of KB films. And an ortho 25, APX25, APX100 and
[previous tests included PanF, TM100 and D100.
[To keep it manageable I used one developer (the famous CG512) and tried
[to develop to the same CI value. You need to do this as otherwise the
[steeper curve of the APX25 may lead you think this film is sharper than
[as example a D100, while in fact both are as sharp (seen as recording
[the same information from the object) but the 25 has higher contrast so
[the pictures have more punch, which could be sen as more sharpness.
[All pictures were enlarged 14x. which in my view is the minimum to
[differentiate  meaningfully between films.
[The shots were of a model in an old desolated factory, giving ample fine
[details, tonal scale and   resolution possibilities.
[The Pan-X showed outstanding sharpness and acutance, but its grain
[pattern was a bit rough but very tight. It resembled the grain pattern
[of the APX100, which is a bit finer, and indeed the two films are close.
[Finest details however were suppressed by the grain pattern. The tonal
[scale   showed quite subtle grey values, again till the threshold of the
[granularity noise. The whole atmosphere is an image of very pleasing
[tonality, gritty sharpness and details painted with broad strokes.
[The UP100 (Adox KB21) has surprisingly fine grain, but on inspection the
[grain is clumpier but the edge sharpness is low so the fineness is
[bought at the expense of definition. Overall quality is still
[commendable and while not up to todays standards, in its day it
[certainly was a winner.   The Pan-X and KB21 images indicate the
[progress realized in 20 years of emulsion technology.  In itself of
[amazing quality, these films lag in all significant areas when compared
[to todays super stars. But the differences are on the other hand more
[evolutionary that revolution.
[The APX100 gives images that suit the reportage style of location
[photography very well. These images have a fine realistic imprint: some
[what gritty, but with a smooth tonality and sufficient fine detail to
[make the scene interesting.
[The APX25 has a higher inherent contrast and so small details are
[recorded somewhat more forcefully. Grain is absent, which adds a creamy
[tonality to the scene, but on close inspection the recording
[capabilities are just a small edge compared to the APX100 or PanX. The
[finer grain  does record the faintest shades of grey values, which adds
[to the 3D impression of the scene.
[The UP25 (KB14) is very close to the APX25. Grain is slightly more
[pronounced, but much less so than PAnX or APX100. The tonal scale is
[identical to the APX25. The intriguing characteristic of this older thin
[layered, thick silvered emulsion is the edgy grain clumps, which, being
[very fine, also roughen up the image structure. It makes the picture
[very lively and especially for model photography and architectural
[photography adds an effect that can be described as  underscoring the
[main story.
[Compared to the PanF as example the KB14 is definitely less smooth and
[its finer details lack the stark micro contrast of the PanF, but all
[said, this film is a worthy emulsion, that deserves a try. On a normal
[viewing distance, the main subjects literally jump from the picture.
[The Ortho25 is a trouvaille: I had some films and asked myself: why not?
[In the same setting, the  prints proved excellent. The skin of the model
[came out very realistic and I did not notice any  strange grey values. f
[course there was no red in he scene, so all  other gray values are more
[or less 'natural".  Sharpness is excellent and grain very fine. The film
[has a clear base and so  looks very contrasty, even if the values are
[close to normal. Not a film for every topic, but I am inclined to use it
[more often and when using some filters can even add some additional
[tonal scale.
[Definitely a film to try and use for portraits, glamour etc. Take care
[of red of course. But more versatile than mostly thought of.
[
[As a preliminary conclusion I have to say that the UP25 and Ortho 25 are
[very potent films with a  potential for intriguing results that need to
[be explored. They are not as good as current  top performers, but the
[distance from a TP as example is less than often imagined. So it is as
[easy to note that there is hardly any progress in BW emulsions in the
[last decades or to state that we have advanced a big stride to deliver
[superior results.
[
[If you habitually use enlargements below 10X, the difference are even
[smaller.
[
[The lesson: try more film than you use now: it will add to your toolkit
[and visual awareness.
[
[Next:
[the PanF, D100, TM100, D400 (new).
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