Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/03/19

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Subject: Re: [Leica] cosina/voigtlander
From: "Dante A. Stella" <>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:27:17 -0500
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Not to join the fray on this, but the only really offensive thing about using
Voigtlander's name to push LTM equipment IS THAT VOIGTLANDER NEVER MADE LEICA
STUFF (except for the original Nokton, which is exceptionally rare and fetches
$1,300 even when busted up).

The Bessa was a 6x9 folding rangefinder (or VF, depending on which one).

The Nokton was a 50/1.5 lens for the Prominent.  It had a bayonet mount.  And
it was a Sonnar, not a modified, aspherical planar.

The Ultron and Skopar, if I recall correctly, were compact fixed lenses for
compact RFs.  The Skopar was just a Tessar.

The Heliar was another Tessar-type lens for the Bessa.

Geez, at least they could get the product names to match something close in the
old line!

Ken Iisaka wrote:

> > At 05:21 PM 3/16/2001 EST, wrote:
> > >
> > >I can't completely agree with you here.
> > >
> > >While the use of the Voigtlander name is certainly a bit suspect, I think
> > >that they make a few interesting niche products of quality that is
> > >commensurate with the prices they charge.
> >
> > This is a different issue, Rich.  I am not speaking to the quality of the
> > Cosina products.  I am only speaking to their legally permissible, but
> > ethically improper, use of the Voigtländer name.
> Whether something is ethical or not is purely subjective.  If we have
> digressed into arguing about subjective points, there is no reason to
> continue this discussion.

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