Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/12/17

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Subject: Re: [Leica] lenses suited for b&w vs. color
From: "Steve Barbour" <kididdoc@home.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:28:35 -0700
References: <NBBBIDNIGLFOKNLJCPLHEEOCEOAA.danh@selectsa.com>

Doug Herr... I am glad I found your photos....  I agree with Dan... they are
gorgeous... I mean really gorgeous man...Steve
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Honemann" <danh@selectsa.com>
To: "LUG" <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] lenses suited for b&w vs. color


> Doug,
>
> There are two images I didn't see at first that I have to put into my
> favorites list, even surpassing the two I mention below: "Northern Hawk
Owl
> fledgeling" and "Bullock's Oriole" ( both on your Ordering page, but the
> former seems to be missing from your Birds pages).  WOW.  Astonishingly
> beautiful.  And one was even taken with the Nikkor. :)
>
> Take a look at these LUGgers, if you haven't seen them already:
>
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt/NHOW.HTM
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt/BUOR.HTM
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt/GRASS.HTM
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt/INBU.HTM
>
> Dan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Honemann [mailto:danh@selectsa.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:57 AM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] lenses suited for b&w vs. color
> >
> >
> > Doug,
> >
> > Interesting observations.  I would have guessed just the
> > opposite, but that's probably due to the subject matter I shoot
> > in b&w vs. color.  I use the former (tri-x or delta 400) for
> > candids, on the street and indoors, and the latter (velvia or
> > provia f 100) for landscapes and nature.  I want the slides razor
> > sharp, to the point where I'd prefer seeing every blade of grass
> > and every drop of dew on each blade.  But I don't mind the candid
> > b&w prints being a bit soft; I don't mind if skin blemishes and
> > wrinkles don't show up. :)
> >
> > I was just having another browse through Winogrand's _Man in the
> > Crowd_ and noticing how grainy and soft many of the images are,
> > and how I don't care one bit.  What is there is an amazing tonal
> > separation--blacks are _really_ black, and whites incredibly
> > bright.  His use of the 28 in crowded city streets lends a depth
> > to the photos that has my eye overlooking graininess, softness,
> > and edge distortion.
> >
> > And of course it helps that he's a master of composition with an
> > incredible instinct for the decisive moment.
> >
> > In the color/nature arena, your images are gorgeous and stand
> > with the very best.  The "Submerged Log" is a lovely image, but
> > my favorites of yours happen to have been taken with Leica glass
> > (sure, you could take the labels away and I probably wouldn't
> > know the difference, and it could very well just be
> > coincidence--but let's pretend <g>): "Denali National Park,
> > Alaska" (purple grasses) and "Indigo Bunting" are simply
> > incredible.  Although I have to admit the "Dwarf Dogwood" shot
> > with the 50/2 Nikkor-H is plenty sharp, too--and beautiful.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > > Me experience with weaker lenses is that they may be marginally
> > > acceptable for color, especially where the photo is more about
> > > color than about image detail, but with B&W I can't hide the
> > > lens' faults behind pretty colors.
> > >
> > > The old 300mm Nikkor-P is a good example.  It had very noticable
> > > lateral chromatic abberation which I could hide with
> > monochromatic images:
> > >
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt/HBIRD.HTM
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt/SUBLOG.HTM
> > >
> > > With B&W it was much more difficult to hide the color fringing
> > > because monochromatic photos often look drab and lifeless as B&W,
> > > while B&W photos (mine, anyway) had to rely more on detail and
> > > contrast to be successful.
> > >
> > > Doug Herr
> > > Sacramento
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/telyt
> >
>

In reply to: Message from "Dan Honemann" <danh@selectsa.com> (RE: [Leica] lenses suited for b&w vs. color)