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Subject: Re: Vs: [Leica] digital experience(very long)
From: Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:57:26 -0500
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In short what you are saying is
that 35 will soon be DEAD

You guys are comparing apples and oranges
Photo albums and slide viewers will be around years after
production of the last 35mm camera and lens has stopped.
I'de calculate 5 years before 35mm starts getting challenged
seeriously and about 5 more years before the major camera
manufacturers announce that they are ceasing production of
dedicated 35mm systems. About 2 years after that the major
film makers will announce a reduction in the linup of film types
leaving everyone with 100 or 400 ASA colour reversal film
to choose from. A couple of years later they will cease production
all together and sell off the equipment two third parties who
will continue small volume production at exhorbitant prices.

As for the audio analogy, all I can say is there are many more
people listening to other people's old music than there are people
looking at other people's old pictures. Furthermore, you don't need
that much equipment to look at pictures but you do need lots of it
to listen to vinyl and get god results.

How Dead is Dead.

Funny thing though in 500 years assuming the world hasn't
been destroyed by nuclear radiation or Clintonian Socialism,
there will still be small groups of nuts lsitening to vinyl. In fact
there may even be a few small companies producing hand made
turntables! Similarly there will also be a few nuts hand loading 35mm film into
cartridges. and developing their own film. The only difference is that
the vinyl guys will be playing with history while the 35mm guys will be playing
with
a standard. That's right, while dedicated 35mm cameras with advance sprockets
and film wells may go by the wayside, the 35mm standard wil be around for quite
a while!
Furthermore, just about every 35mm camera will be digitizable. The quality
of the lenses alone will determine whether it worth converting or not. I suspect
that Ms and Rs
will all be converted! The same can be said about most 6x4.5 6x6 6x7 etc format
cameras

Also, as the price of semiconductor mfg equipment goes down,
we'll start to see medium and even small firms acquire their own
mfg facilities.

Now the high res optical expertise of Leitz, CZ and Schneider will become
invaluable
This assumes of course that CCD wafers are made in the same way as CPU and ram
chips.
I think they are but I'm not sure.

Whatever the case Chemical film may be dead but photography will live on as the
junior
partner to cinematography. This puts us back in familiar territory and appears
to have
been the way things always were. Did you guys notice that in that in the WW2
photo
documentary with that Hanks guy nobody even mentioned still cameras! Now that
sucks!
Javier






Tom Schofield wrote:

> The real cheap stuff disappeared, and the prices went way up on the better
> stuff since sales volume is so low.  Vinyl albums of current artists can be
> obtained from importers of pressings from Japan and Europe, at high prices.
> Super 8 even still has a nitch with the film student market.  Even if dgital
> takes over, 35mm will be around for a long time to come, even if only as an
> art media for we eccentrics.
>
> Tom
>
> > Vinyl is making a comeback, at least emong enthusiasts, and high-end
> > turntables have never been more popular.  The low end crap has
> disappeared,
> > but that's never a bad thing.
> >
> > I expect silver-based to be somewhat similar.  For the mass-media and
> > proles digital will be "good enough" because it's quick and has certain
> > virtues.  But emthusiasts will demand silver-based for quite a while to
> > come.  I'm not planning on selling my Leicas or any other "old fashioned"
> > cameras and I will continue to maintain and expand on my darkroom
> proficiency.


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