Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/08/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The IQ thought started when Chuckie called Ted an A-Hole. Totally inappropriate and inexcusable behavior. Then, after recognizing the camera connection, the rest sort of fell out on its own. I figured Chuckie must be pissed because he cannot figure out how to take a picture. So by using a camera that does all of the thinking (all of the IQ is in the camera), Chuckie gets pictures. I know lots of top notch photographers that use the latest Nikon and Canon stuff. They rarely, if ever, use the full auto setting. I also know of a couple of "professional" photographers (used loosely in this case) who rely entirely on the full auto capability of these cameras. Because they don't know diddly about photography. When my daughter got interested in photography (three years ago) she bought an R7. She promptly put it on "P" and started taking pictures. She had no concept of f/stop, shutter speed, DOF, film speed, or anything else. She attended a Leica workshop that I taught in San Francisco. A lecture (evening), a day out photographing SFO, then a slide show of everyone's work. She used her R7 on "P" for everything. And everyone was absolutely amazed that her photographs were among the very best of the outing. Her eye for composition was outstanding. "P" on the R7 means Perfect... ;-). Then she started college, major in music and photography, and now, after two years, has the zone system down cold, plays our computer controlled enlarger like a piano, has had many prints in exhibits, sold photos to some Silicon Valley companies, etc. She doesn't use "P" anymore. Actually, she uses a Hasselblad 503CW, a Pentax spot meter, and Agfa APX 100 in D-76 1:1 most of the time. She says "to make big prints, your better off with big originals." I agree which is why I use my Hasselblad and Linhof 4x5 for really serious 'scape work. I took a day off last week (32nd anniversary) and carried my Hasselblad around Carmel rather than my M6. Pop-up finder and 80mm CFE lens. Mark Rabiner is a bad influence!!! A 203FE and I put it on "A". I set the aperture and the camera picked the shutter speed. I ran through two rolls of 220 MS 100/1000 (@200) and was really pleased with the results. Auto mode seems to be very accurate. I've never done this before. The main problem is that the Hassy is not very stealthy. People knew when their photo was taken. Kerchunk Kerflap (rapid return mirror). I left off the motor winder as that would really freak out the troops. Kerchunk Kerflap EEERRRrrrrr Kerchunk. But those big transparencies are wunderbar. Layout a couple of rolls of 220 transparencies on a four foot long light table and it sets you free. Then project them, and fall out of your chair! Then, as it got dark, out came my M6's with their wonderful f/1.4 lenses. Delta 3200 @ 1600 and Fuji 800 @ 1600. Life is wonderful. Even, sometimes, on "P" or "A". Then it gets even better with an M6 in the dark. Jim At 09:59 AM 8/8/00 -0400, B. D. Colen wrote: >Hey, Jim...Lighten up. There are some pretty damn good, bright, >photographers who use top-of-the-line computerized Nikons and Canons and >take full advantage of all those cameras can do for them - AND use them on >manual when that makes the most sense. > >You love Leica Ms and Rs. Great. I love Leica Ms and the Nikon F100. I've >handled an R8 on a number of occassions and just don't like the feel, and >believe that by today's standards it and the R6.2 are over priced. But, hey, >that's just my opinion and I'm not suggesting that your IQ is low because >you don't have enough smarts to master the complexity of an F100 or F5 - >;-). (That's a JOKE, Jim.) > >Let's just get back to photography, and recognize that some folks are >comfortable with one camera system, others are comfortable with another - >and most modern systems - and I include the Rs as one - perform more than >adequately well. > >B. D. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Jim Brick >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:48 PM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us; leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: [Leica] Re: Some ideas for a new R >> >> >> Jeez Chuckie, you just explained, in 50 words or less, your IQ and every >> other detail of yourself. >> >> The good folks are still here. Ted being at the very TOP of the list. >> >> It does require some level of intelligence to operate a Leica. They are >> meant to be used by people who actually understand the craft of >> photography. >> >> And it is really great that companies like Nikon make completely automatic >> cameras, for folks who cannot think past their single digit IQ. They saw a >> market and filled it. So now you can have a camera too. >> >> Jim >> >> >> At 01:41 PM 8/7/00 -0400, CHUCK at Ccl1396915541@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >Well, even if I got a free new camera from Leica for my old >> broken one like >> >you did, I still wouldn't be an arrogant snob asshole and look >> down my brown >> >nose at us poor bastards who don't get special treatment and don't like >> >burning our money. And what the hell do you know about what >> other people can >> >and can't afford and what the hell gives you the right to make those >> >judgments? An F4 cost as much as an R8, but it worked. I'll >> have a great >> >trip while you few self-appointed masters piss on all the good >> folks who, I'm >> >surprised, haven't unsubscsribed yet. >> > >> >Chuck >> >> >