[Leica] re: (Leica) Interesting scam

[Summicron1@aol.com]

I"m not sure I understand your question, or your problem with this.

Not supporting what the guy in texas did, but I am presuming that the camera 
was paid for before being shipped (I sure as hell wouldn't send a camera off 
without money in hand, especially not a Leica) so it was a done deal, title 
transferred, end of statement with only the return privelege left to run out, 
right?

That being the case, the person who bought it was free to do with it what he 
wanted. If that included trying to auction it for, I will assume, a higher 
price, that is his legal right. There was nothing in the original sale 
contract that required him to use it to take pictures or keep it and treasure 
it, right? 

Admittedly, it's a bit slimy to turn around and try to auction it for more 
money, then return it if it doesn't sell, but a 15-day return was the deal 
and I am presuming it was returned in the same condition it was sent, also as 
per the original deal, was it not?

So, what's the beef? Your friend made a deal, your friend followed through, 
your friend took it back and ended up with the camera and no money, just like 
when your friend started. If the camera had sold on e-Bay your friend would 
have ended up with exactly what he agreed to sell it for and nothing more. If 
he wasn't happy with that price he should not have sold it

Hardly meets the definition of a "scam." 

If I buy a camera from you, then sell it to a friend for more money, you have 
no gripe. If you do that with a camera you buy from me, you'll probably brag 
about it. The e-bay deal just let your friend get a peek at what was going 
on. Tell him to auction it on e-bay next time if he wants to get what the guy 
in Texas was trying for.

ctrentelman
ogden
utah


In a message dated 4/17/0 12:06:54 AM, you wrote:

>
>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bill <m6rf@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Leica] Interesting SCAM
>
>This person I know wanted to sell a Leica body and a lens.  The body
>has a very unique and distinctive mark on it. My friend sold it on
>the internet (not on the LUG).  The person who bought it wanted a 15
>day return privilege.  So after a little haggling over price my
>friend sold the camera to this person.
>
>The camera was shipped second day air to the buyer in Texas.  Several
>days later (through a series of circumstances) my friend found out
>his camera was on E-bay auction with a reserve price on it.  He knew
>it was his camera because the unique mark was visible in the photo of
>the camera on E-bay.  At he end of the auction the camera was not
>sold because the reserve price had not been met.
>
>Yes, you guessed it.  My friend got the camera and lens back from the
>buyer with a not saying that the camera did not meet his
>requirements, or some such crap.
>
>The moral is, be real careful who you sell cameras to in Texas and,
>only offer a three day return privilege.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Bill