Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/01/16

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Subject: [Leica] re: to flash or not to flash and more existential topics
From: Larry Kopitnik <kopitnil@marketingcomm.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:12:07 -0600

While I greatly appreciate and respect Erwin's view towards "Mike's
Gauntlet" (sounds like it could be the name of a new column in "Photo
Techniques"), I nonetheless find a high degree of validity in Mike's
approach. Because if differences between lens lines become apparent only
under tightly controlled test conditions, those differences are meaningless
to me. If those are the only situations where differences between lens
lines are obvious, I might as well buy the cheapest lens every time,
because I'll never photograph a tightly controlled test.

Differences discernable in everyday use are the only ones which matter to
me. And I very much believe those differences exist.

On the wall behind my office desk are nine photos of my dog, eight taken
with an 80-200 f/2.8 Nikkor and one taken with the 90 mm Zeiss lens for the
Contax G system. The photo taken with the Zeiss lens is different. The
shots with the Nikkor have a harder edge to them. The one taken with the 90
mm G lens displays a greater subtlty of tonal gradations, a smoother
transition from one color to the next. Every photo is eyelash-rendering
sharp. But the Contax-taken photo also has an appealing subltle
dimensionality and smoothness the Nikkor does not capture.

Perhaps there is a scientific explanation for what I see in these photos.
But it is not the science of these photos but an artistic aesthetic which
sets them apart in my eyes, and tells me they were taken with different
lens systems.

My job is production manager of a large ad agency. Reguarly, I review
slides and transperancies to  evaluate their potential for enlargement and
reproduction. On a  recent camapign we produced, I suspect the photos were
taken with a Nikon SLR. All of the slides (all 35 mm) have harsh shadows
lacking detail, no smoothness of color gradation, an almost oversharpness
to out-of-focus backgrounds, all characterisitcs (in my experience) most
often typical of Nikon lens designs. This is not a criticism of the photos;
the art director was after a hard-edged journalistic look, and these photos
succeed in capturing that vision. But I don't believe they would have
looked as they do were they shot with a Leica or Contax camera.

(By the way, while I am less familiar with Canon lenses, my impression is
they generally do not have the contrast or "edge" of Nikkors. Again, this
is not criticism, but rather an evaluation of the characteristic look these
lenses most often deliver. And there are exceptions within lens lines. My
85 f/1.4D and 180 f/2.8D Nikkors deliver very Zeiss-like photos. Still not
quite the smoothness of photos taken with the Contax G lenses, but close
enough that the differences become difficult for me to discern.)

There may well be scientific explanations for what I see in photos taken
with these lenses. But I'm not overly interested in what that those
explanations are. What interests me most is my aestheic reaction to the
photos -- the art of the photography. If there are out-of-focus areas, the
characteristic of those is every bit as important to me as the detail
captured in the focused portions of the photo, because all work together to
make up the photographed image, and all contribute to the overall success
or failure of that image to my eyes. There is nothing scientific to that
reaction. But in the end, that aesthetic reaction is what matters to me.
And, I suspect, to the vast majority of people who review photographs.

Larry

>>>>>>>>>>
Mike's gauntlet states as rules among others:
"All films and developers identified, all made with the  same paper,
paper developer, enlarger, and enlarging lens. Camera lens  apertures
used will be identified. "
Well I admire Mike's stamina in trying to prove that there are at
least a thousand angles that can stand on the head of a pin (see also
Leica built quality), but his gauntlet test is so flawed as to be
useless. First of all hie entry criteria: "All good negatives, all
sharp, all big enlargements, all showing fine technique", are all
beyond objective validation and comparison., so whatever negative
passes his test will be a personal judgement, which might be
acceptable, but without any measurable and identifiable criteria we
are left with a very shaky base, on which to draw any conclusion
would be unreliable if not outright wrong.
More importantly as nor the lighting conditions, nor the subject
matter nor the distance at which to take photographs, nor the film
and development variables are fixed or at the least comparable, we
are left drawing conclusions from evidence that is so diverse in all
of its important parameters that any conclusion may be drawn and we
may be certain that any conclusion is irrelevant. (as seven of Nine
would note correctly).
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