Re: [Leica] Forsale and WTB on the LUG

["Bryan Caldwell" <bcaldwell51@hotmail.com>]

Bill,

Well said. This was my point when I raised an objection to the "Friday" 
policy about a year ago. If imposed, I think it works to the detriment of 
the list.

If I decided to sell or trade in a piece of equipment on the weekend (when I 
have the most time to ponder such things) I would like to be able to offer 
it to the members of the LUG first. I like seeing things go to people I know 
and people who are going to appreciate them. But, when I usually sell or 
trade in to get something else, am I going to wait a week to see if anyone 
on the LUG is interested? Probably not.

A Fridays only policy means that opportunities will not be offered on the 
LUG that would be otherwise.

My other objection is that, in my opinion, it gets very dangerous to start 
limiting certain topics to certain days. The list clearly belongs to Brian 
and he can do with it what he wants. But, the field of "Leica use" 
encompasses a lot. It includes M and R cameras and lenses, but also 
enlargers, projectors, darkroom equipment, thread mounts, microscopes, 
digital cameras, binoculars, and more. I don't think that any LUG member is 
interested in everything remotely Leica related. To say that because some 
LUG members don't want to read For Sale postings and therefore they should 
be limited one day a week leads to the limitation of other topics. Either 
we're free to post, read, respond or ignore topics or we're not.

I have a very hard time believing that For Sale posts on a Wednesday are 
going to collapse the list and wreck havoc upon the system.

Like any other topic, common courtesy indicates that the subject line of the 
post should carry a "For Sale" or an "FS", and then anyone offended by such 
a post on a non-Friday can ignore it. Just like anyone can ignore any Leica 
sub-topic about which they're not interested.

What difference does it make?

Bryan
>From: "Bill Campbell" <billc@clark.net>
>Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>To: "Leica List" <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Subject: [Leica] Forsale and WTB on the LUG
>Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:51:19 -0500
>
>Hi LUGers,
>
>I would like to purpose a "rules change", in that WTB ads, and
>non-commercial FS ads, be allowed, and encouraged on any day.
>
>My reasons are that in today's world of quick, instantaneous electronic
>transactions, making a potential seller, or buyer, wait up to 6 days to 
>post
>will result in lost opportunity for members of the LUG.
>
>As a member of the LUG, I really appreciate those who post their FS ads 
>here
>first (before e-bay, or a newsgroup, or a web-site) giving me the "first
>chance" to acquire a nice piece of Leica equipment. If you're not
>interested, let it pass and just delete the post (and I'm an ardent
>"anti-spammer"), what's the diff between posting on Fri and any other day 
>of
>the week? Same bandwidth, or don't people read Fri.'s postings because 
>there
>might be a FS ad? <g> [Notice the grin!]
>
>I think the more commercial postings [i.e., Leica dealers] should only be
>posted once a week, unless you have new equipment from your last posting.
>I'm in favor of retaining Fri FS for commercial listings, but think
>individual postings should be allowed, and encouraged!, on any day.
>
>What are other LUGers thoughts?, can we make this a policy change so
>potential posters don't fear flames for posting a forsale item on a day
>other than Fri?
>
>Bill Campbell
>--
>
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:00:56 -0800
>From: "Bryan Caldwell" <bcaldwell@softcom.net>
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Spam on humpday
>
>Mark,
>
>With apologies to those who have been through this before,
>
>The only rules here are imposed by the owner of the list. The Email sent to
>each member when they join reads in relevant part:
>
>"It is acceptable for individuals occasionally to post advertisements to
>sell
>cameras, and very much acceptable for individuals to post requests to buy
>cameras. Any user who is obviously conducting a business in the sale of
>cameras will be removed from the list."
>
>[snip]
>
>Finally, I've seen some very venomous responses to what appeared to be
>innocent for sale posts that didn't happen to be on Fridays. Those who have
>followed my related posts know that I have never called for anything to be
>off-list and I won't start now. But, imagine the reaction of a new member
>who reads the owner's rules and, in complete accordance with them, posts a
>Leica item for sale on, dare I say it, a Monday. Do they deserve the wrath
>they've incurred? There are some who just have to try any exercise control
>over the posts of others.
>
>"For sale" by an individual is no different than any other subject. Even if
>I'm not in the market, I find it interesting to see what stuff is being
>offered/sold for. Post it when you want. If this drives anyone up the wall
>the only conclusion I can draw is that they haven't yet mastered the
>"delete" key on their keyboard.
>
>Bryan
>
>
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Rabiner" <mrabiner@concentric.net>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Spam on humpday
>
>
> > Bryan Caldwell wrote:
> > >
> > > >>If you
> > > wish to sell your goods on the LUG, please do us all a favor and
>advertize
> > > them on Fridays, which is the agreed upon day for LUG commerical ads.
><<
> > >
>[snip]
>

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