Re: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers

["Bryan Caldwell" <bcaldwell@softcom.net>]

Peter,

>>In the US if you commit robbery you can get off, the seocnd time you may
do
some time.  <<

As a criminal defense attorney, I would very much like to know how this
works. A number of my clients would like to know too.


Bryan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter) <peterk@lucent.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers


> Thank you for the information from that communist group of leftists a.k.a.
> Amnesty International.
>
> Do they use Leica Rs or Ms?  Leica loupes perhaps to examine their
clienmts
> documents? I would hope so, after all they do need to find those loupe
> holes...er..umm I mean loop holes.
>
> As to the underage offenders who have committed murder, and whose lawyers
> and others feel that execution is not necessary, I hope they serve a child
> sitter for them or at very least become their house guest for an extended
> period of time.
>
> To put the US in the same sentence as Yemen and Saudi Arabia is
ludicrous!!
> In the US if you commit robbery you can get off, the seocnd time you may
do
> some time.  In the other countries you noted, the first time they remove
> your right hand, and the next time they remove you from society
permanently
> with a means not as pleasant as lethal injection.
>
> Peter K
> (Not a lawyer, but a god fearing, Leica toting American!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Caldwell [mailto:bcaldwell@softcom.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 12:12 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers
>
>
> The following statistics are provided by Amnesty International (and
> verifiable through any number of sources):
>
> "International law prohibits the execution of people who were under 18 at
> the time of the crime.
>
> "Most countries with the death penalty have laws exempting the execution
of
> juvenile offenders; the only other countries, besides the United States,
in
> which such executions are reported to have been carried out in the 1990s
are
> Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
>
> "There have been 13 executions of juvenile offenders in the USA, including
7
> in Texas. The 1st such execution in 20 years occurred in Texas in 1985.
>
> "As of May, 1999, over 70 juvenile offenders are on death rows in the USA,
> including 26 on death row in Texas; 24 of the 38 US states with the death
> penalty have laws allowing the imposition of death sentences on juveniles.
>
> "In June 1989, the US Supreme Court ruled that the execution of offenders
as
> young as 16 was permissible under the Constitution."
>
> There is a little semanitcs involved, however. The issue is not whether a
> juvenile has been executed (although that is possible) but whether a
person
> is executed for a crime that they committed while they were a juvenile.
>
> Bryan
> (I'm a public defender currently assigned to juvenile cases in California)
>
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> ----
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Cardish <dcardish@microtec.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers
>
>
> > This has got to be the goofiest thing I have read yet on the LUG.
> > Absolutely idiotic.  Even the National Enquirer wouldn't try passing off
> > such complete and total drivel.
> >
> > Dan C.
> >
> > At 10:41 AM 01-10-99 -0600, Tim Atherton wrote:
> > >>
> > >> At , dkgibson@hushmail.com wrote:
> > >> >2. They are one of the last countries in the world which still
execute
> > >> >children; one of the few others being Afganistan. Although the US
has
> > >> >executed more children than Afganistan in the last few years.
> > >>
> > >> This is completely ludicrous. If it was happening, we would know
> > >> about it.
> > >> See, unlike the U.K. we have a free press.
> > >
> > >
> > >Hmm,
> > >
> > >I don't recall all the details, but I do recall reading a longish
article
> > >about this in Vanity Fair I think, and also on Salon.com on the
internet
> I
> > >think? I think the point of the article was that most Americans didn't
> know
> > >it was happening. Now, having just had a big magazine clear out, I will
> have
> > >to go and see if it still there...
> > >
> > >Tim A
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > NO ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >
> >
>