Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/09/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]..... No they do not cost the same, but >not because of MORE rejects, but rather because there are stricter limits It is NOT an erroneous statement, because this is a reality. Leica rejected so many CL cameras, that Minolta gave up doing them. Zeiss rejected so many of their own Contax 80-200 f/4 lenses (which was a wonderful lens that could focus right down to the front element) that it cost 8-10 times the competition at the time. High rejection rates are well-known. I think you missed the point....it is really a volume thing..... the rejects are caused by a too wide variation in individual piece part manufacturing tolerances to specification. These tolerances build up and eventually get out the finished goods out of spec. Manufacturing process control for the past 15-20 years states that you never allow the final product to get out of spec, you catch the errors or tolerances at the piece part point. These tolerances at the piece part point must be tightened ( which costs more on a per unit basis, and really costs more if you are doing very small runs plus the R+D costs to do this when amortized over a small volume) ) such that the final assembly is within spec. When this is done, you tighten the specs again. The idea is to never throw out a single part along this learning curve, you just make them more perfectly each time you make a run of parts. Continuous process improvement. The final result is that the final assembly has reached extremely low tolerances, therefore low reject rates.... but it takes volume and focus. I do not think that Zeiss or Yashica/Zeiss rejected the completed lens. They are familiar with manufacturing techniques and especially process control. They never made enough lenses (enough iterations) to figure out the problems and resolve the solutions. A rule of thumb is that your manufacturing costs should go down at the rate of 25% per doubling of volume, as expressed in units per constant time period. The example of Leica/Minolta and the CL is real good.. the big house could never spend the effort ( resources ) to locate and get in control the manufacturing tolerances... too small a production in an otherwise enormous factory..... it was doomed to fail. The same may be true of Zeiss and Contax. An interesting idea would be to take a MInolta body and change ONLY the lensmount and necessary prongs to accomodate the Leica R lenses. Given the S series of lenses this may not be as difficult as it first looks......Or, (Oh, the flames I may receive for this!) change the mechanical properties of the Leica Lenses to fit on a Minolta (Canon, Nikon, or other ) body. Keep the optics just like they are today. Now there is an idea! Leica optics on Nikon ( or other) body reliability! Final note.... While most of the process control improvement theorems were based from the USA, the experts in the implementation are Japanese. They do understand the issues, but can not break the inevitible low volume issue with Leica et al. Frank FIlippone