[Leica] My record player must be a DEMO - the needle's stuck

["Guido Soprano" <guidosoprano@hotmail.com>]

Jim, Marc


If you look at the demo debaters, (en mass), they are mostly new to the 
group, and seem not to understand that Leica Solms & the M6  is not Leitz 
Wetzlar & the M3/2/4.

BTW, I guess PassiveAgressive DonJdumbers isn't aware of the FACTs 
surrounding E. Leitz, Wetzlar, and financial viability - the non-going 
concern fiasco of the M5,M4-2/P, CL, Minolta, & Wild experiences


Got to go and count some beans now, whilst freely expressing my opinion.

Guido




>From: Jim Brick <jim@brick.org>
>Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: [Leica] Re:  Re:  "demos"
>Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:04:34 -0700
>
>Well... after reading a months worth of DonjR43198@aol.com's type of posts,
>99% of which were either complaining about the printing on a lens box,
>where something is/was made, and that Leica's "demo" practice is criminal
>AND anybody and everybody that would even think of indulging in a "demo" is
>either brain dead or a sucker, I decided to add my two cents worth.
>
>There isn't anything manufactured in the world that is 100% perfect. There
>isn't a company in the world that is run 100% correctly. I personally have
>no problems with Leica. My repairs have been turned around in short order,
>of the 19 R lenses that I own, the 4 M lenses that I own, the 4 R bodies
>that I own, the one M body that I own, I have not had a single DOA product,
>starting with Leica in 1976. I have only sent in one lens for actual
>repair, no R bodies starting with 2 R3's, 2 R4sP's 1 R6, and now 1 R4sp and
>3 R7's have ever seen a repair shop. Two of the R7's were purchased as
>"demos", new demos for the extra discount. No M lenses have been in, and my
>M body went in once for a rangefinder re-aligning. It took exactly one
>week! I FedEx'ed it on Monday, I received it back the following Monday.
>
>I not only don't care if people air their complaints, I encourage it.
>Legitimate complaints. Like Ken Wilcox and a few others in the past. The
>problem is that only the few problems that, for human reasons drop through
>the crack, ever get talked about, over and over and over. But the thousands
>and thousands of satisfied customers, purchase, repairs, etc, never get
>talked about. So all of the whining is over perhaps .01% of the business.
>Ken's projector problem should indeed be thrown in their face. I personally
>know of only two "botched" service jobs. Ken was one.
>
>But the constant, ad nauseam, bitching, day after day, week after week, get
>a little tedious. Especially when it sounds like someone who simply has an
>axe to grind and wants the world to sympathize with him. A chronic whiner.
>
>I just hung two dozen Cibachromes from 11x14 to 30x40 in an office complex.
>My Leica equipment works great. And everyone in the complex knows it was
>Leica equipment that produced the images. They are stunning! What do I have
>to bitch about? Nothing. The equipment does exactly what it is supposed to
>do. Make magnificent photographs.
>
>Negative energy seems to consume many folks. I don't really understand it.
>Instead of doing happy and constructive things, they are always whining,
>moping, and complaining that the world is treating them poorly.
>
>B.S.
>
>So keep on bitching and whining about Leica.
>
>I'll keep on photographing with my Leicas.
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>At 12:01 PM 5/30/99 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Jim Brick wrote:
> >
> >> DonjR43198@aol.com,
> >>
> >
> >snip:
> >
> >> I'm somewhat curious. Why do you continue to stay on the Leica list? 
>Why do
> >> you use Leica equipment (I guess I'm assuming a lot)?
> >>
> >
> >Jim,I'm also curious, How you just don't get it. What's wrong with
>discussing and
> >criticizing Leica products on this forum. Especially if it is legitimate. 
>If
> >people encounter problems with Leica equipment, or service, then it 
>should be
> >aired.
> >You can't just put your head in to the sand and pretend it does not
>happen. Just
> >because it has the name Leica.
> >
> >I am also curious, why you have the need to query the existence on the
>LUG, of the
> >people who voice an opinion opinion, which at the time, is not 150%
>favorable to
> >Leica.
> >
> >Horst Schmidt
> >
>


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