Re: [Leica] the dialectics of Mr Kotsinadelis

["Guido Soprano" <guidosoprano@hotmail.com>]

Erwin,

thank you for setting a example to all of us with regard to responsible 
protocols for LUG messages.

BTW, I forward your evaluations to two Photojournalist colleagues who carry 
an m6/35 as a companion to their Nikon/Canon SLR equipment. Both  have high 
praise for your style and approach - in fact the've said things like 'Gee, I 
wish someone would do the same for N/C glass.'


Guido the alter ego

>From: Erwin Puts <imxputs@knoware.nl>
>Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: [Leica] the dialectics of Mr Kotsinadelis
>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:55:18 +0200
>
>Mr Kotsinadelis seems to follow a dialectical logic. He professes to be our
>staunchest attacker of every perceived glimpse of censorship, especially
>when he happens to note a glimmer of it in his self defined enigmatic "gang
>of five". He defends his right to say whatever he likes based on a simple
>law of freedom that says that whenever you do not like his (or any other
>persons) postings, you simply  ignore them or use the delete button. I
>fully agree with this position. As I noted some time ago I will not respond
>to any of Mr K's postings (referring to the same basic freedom). So I
>filter out all messages by this sender as I am fully entitled to do. Now
>Mr. Kotsinadelis asks me a question which I am free to ignore. But what
>happens then. Now the cruisader against censorship becomes the enforcer of
>some self appointed rules, stating that I must answer his question and
>immediately so and if I fail to comply to Mr Kotsinadelis' demands I will
>loose any credibility I might have.
>This train of dialectical logic reminds me of the McCarthy period in the
>fifties.
>
>I am grateful for the many posts (public and private) of Luggers who find
>my writings enjoyable, instructive and informative. The many discussions
>resulting from my reports 'force' me to make them better through time. I
>learn from what people tell me. I write to inform and to evaluate. And I am
>a Leica fan.
>On the other hand I am deeply troubled by all these posts trying to
>convince Mr. Kotsinadelis and his followers. By responding we give
>substance to Mr. Kotsinadelis' stance. That is a pity. Some person noted
>that no one on the LUG should get involved in "Mr Puts' fight".  Well I am
>not aware of any fight on my side. I conduct  research on Leica image
>quality and report my findings on the Lug and elsewhere. If someone wants
>to challenge my content, he or she is free to do so. If one does not
>believe what I report, be my guest. I write for the large group of persons
>who like to share my findings and respond to its conclusions by phone or
>mail or letter.
>Now Mr. Kotsinadelis and followers:
>first of all: as a writer for Shutterbug Mr K. may know Mr Bob Shell. I
>talked indepth with Mr. Shell about my  work and my background. Feel free
>to ask him what his opinion is.
>secondly: if you challenge my quality I would gladly invite you to comment
>in a rational way to my findings in any of my reports.  If you find faults
>in my assessment, have proven evidence that contradicts or undermines my
>conclusions. I will be most happy to correct my reports. If you feel that
>my reports are too subjective to be acceptable, then go to PopPhoto where
>you will find any hard numbers to your liking or go to Photodo, which also
>has any string of graphics that supposedly are based on rockhard facts.
>Then study these graphs and numbers, compare them to my semi-standardized
>formulations and if you find my reports faulty, please tell me. I will be
>most grateful for your effort to improve the standards of quality of the
>Lug.
>
>As an aside: im my Report on the 70-180 I gave the following info:
>
>"BTW 1: I am not an employee of Leica. I just happen to have some interest 
>in
>"the products of this company and use part of my free time to collect some
>"facts about some of the products. I get some help from the Dutch importer 
>as
>"he provides me with samples of lense to test and I am allowed to use them 
>as
>"long as I like. In the case of the 70-180 more than two months."
>
>
>
>Erwin


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