RE: [Leica] anti-Leica-ism?

["Stewart, Alistair" <AStewart@gigaweb.com>]

Donj,

who exactly are the "group of five" to which you refer?


A.

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From: DonjR43198@aol.com [mailto:DonjR43198@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 11:00 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] anti-Leica-ism?


In a message dated 5/10/99 10:15:29 AM Central Daylight Time, 
peterk@lucent.com writes:

<< Erwin,
 
 I find your comments condescending. When I first started on this list I
 found the small fragment of the group to be in control of the LUG.  It was
a
 religion to this so-called "gang of 5" and anything to the contrary was
 blasphemy.  Leica cameras were canonized during this time and I think we
now
 have a wide ranging group with opinions.  To use an insolent tone and state
 "This list might evolve into a mature and resourceful body of Leica info
 (as I once hoped it would automatically grow to this stature)," only shows
 we have obviously have hit your hot button.  Hey Erwin, lighten up.  We all
 have opinions, right, wrong or indifferent.  I for one prefer a bit of
humor
 and controversy when compared to a thread on "How I stroked my lens last
 night."
 
 Peter K >>


  Right on!  It is amusing to observe how some wish to stifle the thoughts 
and speech of others, not with facts, figures, and well thought out 
arguments, but with characterizations that have nothing to do with Leica 
equipment.  When one posts a message pointing out problems with Leica 
products so Leica owners may be alerted to these potential problems, rather 
than responding with facts and figures in an effort to refute the post,
these 
"cheerleaders" launch a personnel attack on the person making a statement or

asking the embarrassing question. 

The post today regarding the problems Leica is having with the manufacture
of 
the 90 mm APO-ASPH lenses is enlightening if for no other reason than it 
advises those waiting for delivery there is a problem that may further delay

delivery.  It was also informative in that the post seemed to clear up the 
question where the 90 mm APO-ASPH lenses are made as it said some were 
subcontracted to a firm in Canada and now production has been transferred to

Germany.  If this is so, does anyone know whether the 90 mm APO-ASPH lenses 
are being made by Leica in Germany or just subcontracted out to a 
manufacturing facility in Germany.  These are all interesting bits of 
information for the collector as well as other Leica owners and users.  

I hope those who wish to liven the conversation with any comments regarding 
the "Leica" subject will not be intimidated by these self-annointed-would-be

censors because these "censors" have not provided any clarification.

I believer there are many of us who enjoy reading the subjective comments 
regarding Leica lenses that Mr. Puts publishes.  It would be interesting if 
Mr. Puts test reports were based on instrument readouts along with his 
subjective analysis since different people see colors and contrast 
differently.  If something may be reduced to numbers for comparison, then 
everyone may judge for themselves.  From the posts regarding Mr. Puts, one 
would be led to think Mr. Puts does have the instrumentation necessary to 
make objective measurements. If that is a fact, maybe the measurements could

be shared so the reader would not have to rely upon subjective judgments.

Keep us the good work, Peter K. and do not let the "group of five" get you 
off the track.  I will be watching for your posts.