Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/03/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Walt keeps stating (often in capitals) that there is no visible difference between old and new Leica lenses and if so then only a few percentage points of difference. For me it is quite remarkable that he can quantify hardly perceptible differences with such accuracy. As I said some lenses do show vast improvements, visible to anyone in all kinds of day to day shooting. The old 1,4/35 versus the asph version is a case. Sometimes the differences are smaller (I referred to the second generation Summicron 50 and the current one). But any categorical statement, not substantiated by some objective proof (or measurement) is a myth IMHO. The 2/ 35 asph improves visibly on its predecessor, the 2.8/24 is simply stunning in all kinds of hand held shooting, the 2/50 Summicron and the 2,8/50 are of sparkling clarity, the 2,8/90 is bringing almost any film over the edge, the new APO 90 is of superb quality as is the 3,4/135. Every transparancy shot with any of these lenses stands out of the crowd head and shoulders. If Walt does not see it, he simply does not want to see it. It is true that the utmost of textural details will be seen only when a few films of high capability are used. The improved contrast, the much greater clarity and flare suppression, the fine shades of light in specular highlights, the flatness of field etc can be clearly observed when using any 100ISo transparancy film or 100 or 400 B&W. These current lenses are not only theoretical (or a few percentage points) improved, they are on a different level. Would pictures by HCB be better if made with modern lenses? That is not a relevant question. Would Matisse have painted better pictues if he used different quality paints or a different quality canvas? Artistic or aesthetic aspects are not at stake here. Why not ask if Salgado's pictures would be worse when made with older equipment? The questions have been asked whether a modern Leica lens is more capable of rendering beauty than an older one? Or, is a modern Leica lens capable of rendering more beauty than an older one? That is difficult but interesting to answer. Beauty is part emotion, part impression, but always it is primarily a feeling. Some socio-biologists will claim that the appreciation of beauty (of women) is universally imprinted in our DNA. But even accepting this fact, it will hardly correlate with optical quality. Beauty can be captured and represented with every possible artistical means and instruments (poems, paintings, movies etc). And so also with Leica lenses. The goal of optical designers is to produce optical systems with a very small amount of residual aberrations in order to be able to represent reality as faithfully as possible. Leica lenses add their special flavor as these guys and girls really know what aberrations are important for photographic purposes. So if and when beauty can be objectively captured in reality modern Leica lenses will do this job more truthfully than older lenses. As long as beauty is ephemeral, any lens will do. Remember David Hamilton? Lartigue? Atget? Older lenses have their peculiar fingerprints and some people love these characteristics. An old Harley mortorcycle also evokes sympathy and admiration. Here one should walk softly. I myself have never seen in an older lens characteristics that have not been improved in newer versions. Even that most elusive aspect of three dimensionality is better represented in modern lenses. Bokeh might be different between old and current, but that is another story. Again, older lenses can and should be admired (at least some of them) but I would like to ask the persons who favor the qualities of the older lenses to take comparative pictures of their favorite scene which really evokes the qualities of older lenses not present in the current ones with the older and a newer lens and then point out the differences if any. I have made these comparative shots again and again and never saw something in the representation of the older lenses that has not been improved in the newer versions. The unsharpness area included. But I admit that the rendition of shapes and outlines in the unsharpness area is a matter of taste. Erwin