Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/01/04

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification
From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:42:11 -0800

Anything weird or ultra-left wing always starts in California (I live here
so I can say that!)  California makes some commie countries look democratic.
It would only figure that they would put a damn anti photography law in to
effect.  Damn those tree huggers....

PK

- -----Original Message-----
From: Walter S Delesandri [mailto:walt@jove.acs.unt.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 4:08 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification


Wow, and to think I didn't even start this one.....
Relax, ya'll, we ALL have skeletons in our respective genetic 
closets, and we've ALL been "victims"-- my paternal grandfather 
was born _IN ROUTE_ while his family was escaping facist Italy...
it's a good thing he didn't live to see us freely giving up the 
freedoms so many died for in our "new facism" -- and to keep on 
topic, what's the new law in California (!) about it being an 
invasion of privacy to stand on PUBLIC soil and "invade" privacy 
with a camera?>  anybody heard this?  the so-called "papparrazi"
law?  Oh, well, as usual, such ideas originate in CA and spread 
like leprosy over the country.........
CU,
Walt

On Mon, 4
Jan 1999,
Andre Jean Quintal wrote:

> At 09:55 -0500 04/01/99, B. D. Colen wrote:
> [ . . . ]
> Aren't there some "collectibles" that, given their provenance, shouldn't
be
> collected other than in Museums. Or, are their certain items that we
should
> neither invest in nor profit from?
> [ . . . ]
> 	Mr Colen,
> 	Just how deep do people like you have to furrow
> 	in murky and equivocal self-justification
> 	by so-called "genetic" association,
> 	pretending an inner calling to the valiant and righteous
> 	task of denegating others of the pleasures of their hobby
> 	and wallowing in pointless and irrelevant
> 	"genetic" victimization that have neither
> 	the least thing to do with YOU, personally,
> 	nor A-N-Y of the good people in this group ?
> 
> 	Perhaps are YOUR ATTITUDES,
> 	given their provenance,
> 	not even worth a square foot of Museum space !
> 	Not to deny History, just to note you are pretending
> 	to police other good willed people whose worldview
> 	has grown to embrace so much more
> 	than the truly painful life experience
> 	of, perhaps, your forefathers and THEIRS !
> 	Would you care to ponder the eventuality
> 	of one historical dimension that recalls
> 	the blood, sweat and tears, most likely,
> 	of too many good people drawn in a maelstrom
> 	few could eschew on a day to day basis
> 	"back then", unless willing to risk getting slugged.
> 
> 	If you don't appreciate my reaction,
> 	please note you were invading my privacy
> 	and personal space with a private agenda
> 	totally alien to the pursuits of our bona fide group:
> 	photo excellence.
> 
> 	If you wish to so aggressively promote such discourse
> 	in MY e-mail, please be warned you are trespassing.
> 	I am a model of patience, a model of tolerance,
> 	others say : please examine your ultimate purposes
> 	when you regurgitate such venom.
> 	You might be the one person who suffers most
> 	from such and might destroy pathways to friendships
> 	that could do much to heal the unspeakable pain
> 	that is NOT yours, by any standard,
> 	perhaps even healing your prejudice.
> 
> 	It is not impossible that the person enquiring
> 	about the relative value of this vintage camera
> 	be the son of a man who may have carried
> 	your own father, or a "genetic" kind, to safety.
> 
> 	War is ugly, even today, with as many Iraqi children
> 	dead in less than ten years of international boycott
> 	than in the sorrowful nazi death camps, now about
> 	one million and counting...
> 	Have you heard of the goulag ?
> 	Have you not heard of the killing fields ?
> 	Have you the least notion of the actual numbers
> 	of starving people on account of warlords, today ?
> 	Have you the very least notion of the numbers
> 	of children maimed by live antipersonel mines, TODAY ?
> 	It's so obscene, the news don't talk about it !
> 	People simply would not be able to deal with Reality
> 	as it IS : our mutual loss.
> 
> 	So, we look fifty years back, so easy,
> 	just for the comfort of it !
> 
> 	Stigma is a most painful experience, Sir.
> 	My suggestion is you pursue such diatribe
> 	with A-N-Y 'live' German person, today, this year,
> 	and weigh for yourself just how far you then
> 	would be willing to go in the way of finger pointing
> 	and, not impossible, self-righteousness.
> 
> 	You owe yourself a minute of silence.
> 
> 	Respectfully,
> 
> 	Andre Jean Quintal
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>    Before you judge me,
>    try hard to love me,
>    look within your heart then ask,
>    have you seen my childhood.
>               Michael Jackson
> 
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