Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/12/04

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Photographing people in public
From: Francesco <fls@san.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:19:29 -0800

So in the case of HCB, since you brought it up, did he need 
releases for all of his photos of people, since he obviously
did not take them for exclusively editorial purposes, and has
commercialized them in books and magazines?

Francesco



At 08:16 AM 12/4/98 , Ted Grant wrote:
>francesco wrote:
>
>>Now if the lady had said NO, she did not want you shooting her at her
>>stall, then what?  How do you go about getting a release after  you just
>>gave her a line about shooting some building behind her?>>>>>>
>
>Hi Francesco,
>
>Two things:
>
>If you think this is a shot you will really use for publication, then
>depending on her attitude you try to sweet talk her into a posed picture
>taking, then get a release signed. This in turn covers the unposed one
>also. If there is out and out refusal just drop the idea of using the shot
>at all and write it off as one of those things.
>
>Or if you are only using it for "show and tell" a slide presentation for
>lecture then you you can walk away. Remember there isn't any point to a
>confrontation as there is one more avenue. This only works if you are
>shooting in your own home town.
>
>Develop the film, make a nice print and return to the stall the next week
>with a nice thank you note and present her with the copy. Obviously, only
>if it's a damn good image of her. They usually are more than surprised at
>their "what a nice snap of me" and will allow you to shoot a posed
>situation which of course you explain first that a _____"situation
>release"________ is required.
>
>Please note I said, _____"situation release"_______ do not use the word
>"MODEL" under any circumstance!!! This implies monetary gain, there isn't
>any!
>
>The key is being pleasant when you return.
>
>If the photo is in another country you can live with the fact that it's
>highly unlikely the subject will ever see the picture, unless you have the
>stature of HCB and the photo is used internationally. That's a whole new
>ball game.
>
>At the time of the image making and you "know without question" this is
>going to be great, then you might resort to a purchase of goods from her
>stall as a good will gesture or, heaven forbid this is necessary....make an
>offer of a monetary contribution. To sign the release. ABSOLUTELY LAST
>RESORT!!!!
>
>I emphasize this is an "absolutely last resort action" do not get into a
>habit, it can cost you dearly when you've souped the film and the "great
>shot" you knew you had, turns out to be an "ho hum" image after all!
>
>
>
>Ted Grant
>This is Our Work. The Legacy of Sir William Osler.
>http://www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
>