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Bravo Jim and Oddmund Alistair - ---------------------- Forwarded by Alistair Stewart/NORWELL/GIGA on 12/01/98 03:18 PM --------------------------- From: Jim Hurtubise @ jim on 12/01/98 09:52 AM To: leica-users @ firstname.lastname@example.org@SMTP@GIGAEXCH cc: Subject: Re: [Leica] Come on guys Oddmund, you were very kind in your reply to Mr. Whalen. I can not be so kind. Censorship on the Leica USERS Group (that is what LUG stands for) has been discussed many times, and I believe the consensus has been that anything remotely Leica related is fair game. Everyone has the right to use their delete key not the right to dictate the discussion. I don't recall hearing Mr. Whalen protest about the high end audio thread, or the I drive this kind of SUV thread. Were these somehow more acceptable non-topics to you? Sadly we have created a society where individuals feel the world revolves around them and when it comes to subjects outside of their immediate world, they prefer to bury their head in the sand. They have everything and care about nothing. For you maybe photography is nothing but a hobby and pastime, but there are many photojournalists and others on this list who want to make photographs that have meaning and the power to move others emotionally. To do this you have to care about something other than your own personal gratification. Referring to someone's else's personal views as "bs" is well, bs. We have a great variety of users on this list and I enjoy reading about how they use their Leicas, why they use them and what they use them for. If their political views help shape the type of images they make, well I want to hear about that too. I feel very strongly that no one here should be trying to limit the discussions to pre-ordained or majority approved topics and telling others to take their discussion elsewhere. And as also posted previously, the LUG is more than just a discussion group. So stop the complaining about non-topics....everyone. Jim Hurtubise At 06:56 01/12/1998 -0500, Gary D. Whalen wrote: > Come on guys. This is not a political forum nor is it a managment >forum. This is the "Leica Photography" forum. Can we please somehow >resist the temptation of posting to the world our political, management >and financial views of Leica. Unless I am wrong we do photography to >get away from that bs so I don't want to read about it here. Maybe you >could personally e-mail each other with your views and save the rest of >us from these "non-topics". Oddmund replied: In my case you are wrong. In the case of photographers who made Leica famous, you are wrong as well. If they did "photography to get away from that bs", we would never have Leicas today, or just some prototypes in museums. Leica is a part of contemporary history, having witnessed, and still witnessing, showing the diversity of life, human situations, suffering, dignity, sorry and happiness, smile and tears. This is "politics", and this will always be "politics". Politics and economy, and moral if you want. There is nothing wrong about it, as there is nothing wrong about this being discussed in the Leica Users Group.