Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/07/21

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Mis-information and innuendo
From: Alan Ball <>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:10:56 +0200

Eric (and Jim),

There it goes again: as soon as someone does not post accordingly to the 
"LUG Old Boy Club" rules, he/she gets slammed real hard.

One Alan (not me) posted a note arguing it would be irresponsible to give a 
Leica to a kid, for various reasons, some of which I agree with, others I 
do not agree with.

Then Jim comes in real irritated, arguing quite convincingly against some 
of Alan's statements, but adding such non-constructive qualifiers as 
'stupid' here and there. Then he ends with the paragraph hereunder, which 
is not related at all to the subject the first poster discussed.

Now you come in Eric, with something that has even less to do and that 
sounds even more agressive. Obviously, if someone subscribes to this list 
and takes the pain of contributing, it means he/she has at the very least 
an interest for Leica equipment. Most, if not all, the current posters have 
invested in Leica equipment and share their experience with it. This is not 
the Politburo fighting against a bunch of 'agents provocateurs'. There is 
no reason that each and everyone of the members of this list should live 
the "Leica experience" in a mode imposed by some of the elder or more 
prolific members.

Stop doing this please: I've seen challenging posters simply disappear in 
the last months after being slammed this way. I have not voted for anyone 
to be the "Guard of the Holy Relic" and to excommuniate 'dissident' 
members. I do not have the time some of you seem to have, I am not in a 
position of policing this group, and have no wish to do so. I do not have 
the time to read each post, and even less for contributions. It is now 7 am 
in Brussels, I have to work. Please do not order or bully others around.

Friendly regards,

On Wednesday, July 22, 1998 1:44 AM, Eric Welch 
[] wrote:
> At 11:32 AM 7/21/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Unfortunately, posts like this really get under my skin. Each and every
> >statement was made without any knowledge or thought about truth and
> >reality. Error, misconceptions, innuendo, and downright misleading data.
> Jim,
> I agree with you. I think we come here, in part to get away from the
> dialogue out there that Leica owners are a bunch of snobs, and fools who
> don't know how to use their cameras. Let's knock that crap off. If you 
> to slam Leica, go preach to the choir on the other lists and
> Okay?
> --
> Eric Welch
> St. Joseph, MO
> Don't be surprised if you see a halo around my head. It should be
> expected. After all, light bends around incredibly dense objects.  -
> Clifton Painter