Re: [Leica] Cool Leica Pictures-uncool exchanges

["Bruce R. Slomovitz" <brslomo@erols.com>]

Alan,

Thanks for the URL.  I just went there and I agree.  That is a cool photo.
There's even some beauty in it.  Technically perfect.   But art it's not.
I'd say that if that's the kind of thing Eric aspires to, then he's there.
Many of his photos are at least that good.  That's my opinion.  Let's see
what others have to say.

Bruce S.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Ball <AlanBall@csi.com>
To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us' <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 1:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Cool Leica Pictures-uncool exchanges


>When I started this, I certainly did not expect it to turn into such an
>agressive thread. The doubts I expressed were related to the rendition of a
>few images published on a Web  page. The link to that Web page was
>communicated to the LUG by a LUG member under the subject field "Cool Leica
>Pictures".
>
>After visiting that page and looking carefully at the images, I had a
>reaction that I have often had looking at images on the Web: they render
>poorly under my (quite standard) digital and Web visualizing tools. The Web
>technology strips the 'technology' added value out of them IMHO. I maintain
>that they would not have rendered very differently ON THE WEB if they had
>been shot through a low price P/S. You are well aware that there are good
>quality low price P/S options out there. They do not require flash on every
>image, they have good lenses, opening at f2.8, with good contrast and
>definition, with low flare, they have good metering systems, and quite
>frankly you can get good 'decisive moment' images out of them, even if it
>is much easier to do so with a M6.
>
>So, this thread was about the dangers of using the Web as a showcase
>vehicle in the framework of exchanges related to the illustration of the
>high potential of Leica (or Nicapentolta).
>
>Some answers to the questions I raised have given useful information on
>compression technology and new file formats, others have insisted on the
>fact that each Web user owning a Leica should at the very least own a high
>end graphical workstation before surfing the Web.
>
>As I have suggested in an earlier post here, please visit the Nikon Coolpix
>900 page. It could have published under a page called 'Cool leica
>Pictures', and I believe most of us/you LUGgers would have waxed extatic on
>how beautiful they are. They really are. ON THE WEB. Check:
>http://www.nikonusa.com/products/imaging/images/moosebird.jpg and the other
>images in that folder.
>
>Alan
>Brussels-Belgium
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>On Thursday, April 09, 1998 1:24 AM, Robert Rose [SMTP:RJR@usip.com] wrote:
>> I have been watching this thread with some disbelief.
>>
>> How could anyone claim that these pictures could have been taken with a
>P&S camera?
>>
>> The focus motor, shutter, flash pop, and wind level on most P&S is so
>loud that the subject would be distracted.  The zoom motor sound would have
>made the boy look at the camera, and the woman turn her head, turning the
>image into a diary record, something !
>> other than what it is now.
>>
>> The flare of most P&S cameras would have made shooting with the light
>bulbs in the field impossible.
>>
>> I could go on, but these are exactly what they are billed:  really cool
>Leica images.
>>
>> Case in point.  My daughter was the Wicked Witch in the school production
>of Wizard of Oz.  I had a 90mm Elmarit-M on an M6, shooting with NHGII 800,
>no flash, mostly at f/2.8.  Good friend next to me had her P&S ready.  When
>her daughter (munchkin) came ou!
>> t, up she jumps, wooor, click, snap, flash pop, buzz, then HORRORS END OF
>ROLL buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to rewind, while everyone looks at her in
>disbelief.  I lift M6, silently click off shot of munchkin.
>>
>> When I saw her next she sighed, "my picture didn't turn out so good."  I
>handed her the picture of her daughter.  Her reply?
>>
>> You guessed it:  "Oh, my God, look at this picture!"  And then, "when did
>you take this?"
>>
>> I rest my case.
>>
>> Bob
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