Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/03/26

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Subject: Re: [Leica] M6 Glory and Improper Posting
From: thibault collin <>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:27:35 +0100

In France at least, even politician are allowed to fuck around!

At 02:56 26/03/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>Sorry Joseph,
>I have to jump in on this one.  I agree that the posting in question was
>improper, offensive, tasteless, and stupid.  However I couldn't agree less
>with you about the points you make.  That we can make criticisms of those in
>high office, whether tasteless or not, is a very important part of our right
>to free speech.  It must be exercised in order to prove that we still have
>And as far as ours being a perverted society, that it is.  However it's most
>likely not perverted because some of its citizens indulge in pornography,
>but precisely because of the attitudes of the great majority of its
>citizenry who profess out of one side of their mouths a puritanistic
>distaste for and disinterest in anything sexual, and out of the other the
>kind of base and lewed view of human sexuality that we see depicted in the
>We would be much better off if we had a healthy, adult understanding of sex
>and sexuality such as we see in societies such as France, Italy, and the
>Scandinavian countries.  In these countries, you don't see the government
>spending millions to investigate what the president or some other high
>official did or does with his or someone else's sex organs.  They accept the
>fact that their leaders are human beings and that their sexuality is
>separate fromt their ability to govern and lead judiciously.  They don't
>expect them to be saints.
>Bruce S.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Codispoti <>
>To: <>
>Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 10:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] M6 Glory and Improper Posting
>>That in this country it is permissible to demean, denigrate and humiliate
>>the President or his Office publicly in words, print, or actions, is not
>>freedom at all. It is license to be ignorant, uncouth, and vulgar.  The
>>gullible many believe that the presidency is sacrosanct and pure.  The rest
>>seem to indulge in permissiveness that serves only to shows to the rest of
>>the world that we are indeed a perverted society.
>>Joseph Codispoti