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Subject: Re: [Leica] Some film questions
From: André Jean QUINTAL <megamax@abacom.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:04:33 -0500

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&gt; Kodak was nice enough to send a few rolls. Can't decide whether
to<br>
&gt;shoot this film or Kodachrome on impending trip to Paris.
Processing<br>
&gt;turnaround is not an issue so I tend to shoot the Kodachrome for
its<br>
&gt;archivalness. But the grain and shadow detail and contrast range
of this<br>
&gt;film were so amazing I might have to load a body with it and push
it to<br>
&gt;400. LUG thoughts are welcomed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Carl s.</div>
<div>Hi Carl,</div>
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<div>Would you care to confirm wether the Kodachrome you are
referring to</div>
<div>is the ISO 200 (versus the Kodachrome 64 (or 100, or 25) -- my
preferred emulsion because of it's &quot;ARCHIVALNESS&quot;</div>
<div>(never saw that word before but that sure is what</div>
<div>it is -- colors don't degrade over more than 30 years -- at
least using</div>
<div>a simple metal slide box or, even, Kodak Carousel slide trays
stored</div>
<div>in my student's big &quot;luggage&quot; (I don't know the
English word - about 2' x 2' x 4' &quot;truckable&quot;
&quot;storage&quot;) in an average basement (not humid).</div>
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<div>I sure can appreciate &quot;good old&quot; Ektachrome 64, too,
but I get a higher &quot;high&quot;</div>
<div>from personal slide shows using Kodachrome 64 over others...
with a screen size about 7' - 8' diagonal, seldom more for the last
few years. (There was a time</div>
<div>I used a 12' diagonal sized area on a matte white wall, at the
limit of my</div>
<div>lens' and projector performance... An Ektagraphic 9000 is an
object of desire</div>
<div>to me, very much so. A &quot;remote controlled&quot;
drop-from-the-ceiling beaded</div>
<div>8' to 12' diagonal high reflectance screen would be nirvana:
next incarnation!)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I've, obviously, tried the Fuji stuff, but there's something
missing</div>
<div>to my eye -- probably a sacrilege to say so --  + have not tried
the few new emulsions that came out in the last 4 - 6 months
which,</div>
<div>perhaps, may have &quot;what it takes&quot;</div>
<div>to get me excited.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I just wish there was a C41 emulsion that does what Kodachrome
64 does,</div>
<div>which I would try to convey with the expression &quot;the
thickness of things&quot;...</div>
<div>way beyond saturation, resolution, grain structure (especially
the out of</div>
<div>focus areas), color range (I'm a flowers nut...), edge
definition (acutance),</div>
<div>skin tone accuracy, and, with some lenses, shadow detail.</div>
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<div>I also have never had a washed out &quot;high range&quot; area
with Kodachrome,</div>
<div>usually 64, and never any &quot;halo&quot; unwanted effect,
obviously.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font color=3D"#FF0000">PREDICTABILITY</font> is never an issue
with Kodachrome, by experience.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>With Ektachrome, there's always the fear that the processor's
chemistry will</div>
<div>not have been properly replenished, and wasting, or just
about,</div>
<div>even one shot, to such an occurance is a total turn-off for
me:</div>
<div>I've lost rolls of some of the most magnificent shots I have
ever done</div>
<div>to this and I've decided that such would never be the case
anymore.</div>
<div>Done right, though, Ektachrome's &quot;brilliant&quot;
quality,</div>
<div>especially with bright blues and yellows, if that's what one
likes,</div>
<div>is a magnificent product: I'd tend to use it for
architectural</div>
<div>style photography (and controlled lighting studio work),</div>
<div>IF there was no Kodachrome available: it's &quot;you are
there&quot; quality</div>
<div>is without equal, especially with extra-saturated polarized
shots</div>
<div>of the urban jungle.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>For high speed, usually for other people,</div>
<div>I tend to use ISO 400 or ISO 1000 Kodak emulsions, not
pushed,</div>
<div>with outstanding results, if N-O-T ENLARGED. Kodak Royal Gold
ISO 100</div>
<div>is what I go for most of the time for other people. Vericolor
VPS</div>
<div>is NOT available locally below 20 rolls (that's one good
product!),</div>
<div>and &quot;special deals&quot; on Royal Gold 100 (and
&quot;fresh&quot; stock)</div>
<div>shift the emphasis...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Grain based &quot;creative effects&quot; is something I don't
buy into.</div>
<div>And I've been dealing with an out of town C41 lab that, at
last,</div>
<div>uses decent lenses and really knows what color balance is
about:</div>
<div>they actually put out a glossy print that has a
&quot;transparent&quot; quality</div>
<div>to it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I suppose many reading this will think I should &quot;work
out&quot; Fuji's</div>
<div>Super G 800 Plus and NEW Reala (plus Astia), but I have yet
to</div>
<div>find someone who will be able to certify no color
&quot;roll-off&quot;</div>
<div>over a few years (let alone a 25 year &quot;archive&quot;
test)...</div>
<div>And yes, I'm aware of their upside qualities.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I tend, as a general final statement, to enjoy my photo
work</div>
<div>mostly by myself, rather than go about with a stack of 4&quot; x
6&quot; s...</div>
<div>(anything below 5&quot; x 7&quot; feels like a
&quot;squeeze&quot;...), nor do I &quot;exhibit&quot;,</div>
<div>for the time being.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Another emulsion I appreciate is Agfa reversal: it's often</div>
<div>a worthy tool, and discoloration is not an issue, if my old
CT-18</div>
<div>shots are of any value. Agfa RSX is an under rated product,
seems to me.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If only I could find a Leica or Carl Zeiss Planar projection
lens for my</div>
<div>Kodak projector ... ! (And the money it takes!)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>All the Best !</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Andr=E9 Jean Quintal</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>PS: My all-time &quot;TOP&quot; lens is a 1967 Carl Zeiss
Distagon 25mm/Contarex.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>My
&quot;most used&quot; camera is a 1977 Rollei 35
&quot;babycam&quot;...</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>No, I
haven't tried the Canon TSE-24 PC: that bugs me, though.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab></div>
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