[Leica] [Leica} Tina's Drobos... Update: All loaded.

Sat Jun 1 06:29:17 PDT 2024

I trust Frank to do what is right for my system.  He has done an
outstanding job and spent countless hours working on my Synology set-up and
being sure everything is easily and quickly accessible and protected.

My dead Drobos were a daily annoyance and potential nightmare.  The only
things I've had to purchase were the Synology box with 8 bays, the 16TB
refurbished hard drives to fill it, and Bitdefender to protect everything.
I'll put the leftover 10TB hard drives into my available ProBoxes and have
a backup for everything.

Frank has done all of this remotely from Hawaii!!  I still don't understand
how that works but am eternally grateful that Frank knows what he is doing!!

Totally organized as of today,

Tina

On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 4:46 AM Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> For any reader with a low tolerance for techie, geeky, nonsense talk,
> please stop reading this and delete it from your computer.  If you
> continue, I
> will not be held responsible for your mental health.
>
> Richard:  All true... and if I could figure out what ZFS means, I might be
> totally in your camp.....
>
> For Richard's clarification, this is a 6 HDD array in a 6HDD array box (2
> open bays), using basically Raid 5.  ( Actually Synologiy's SHR which is a
> 1
> disk failsafe system.... just as Raid 5 is.  We use SHR because we are
> going to put in a pair of smaller HDD ( 10TB each) in with the 16TB
> drives.
> This will be incorporated into a single volume, and the only way to do
> that is with SHR.)
>
> The other part of this particular setup, and to go further in agreement
> with what Richard is saying, ...
>
> Even RAID is a crapshoot. Failures happen.  You should ALWAYS have a
> backup.  ( Go back to how this job started, her Drobos are failing.  2 out
> of 3
> are dead.  She swaps around HDD to get access to all her images. Her
> backups are all over the place on various sized external HDD.  It sounds
> discombobulated.... but Tina has done an excellent job of keeping it
> together.  It is well organized. She understands what she has where.  But
> it is
> unwieldy.)
>
> Keep in mind that this is not your normal amateur photographer collection
> of maybe 10,000 to 50,000 images,  It is TEN TIMES that size.  What is
> needed for Tina is overkill for most of us.... !
>
> There will me a big backup HDD array for the NAS.  It will utilize a pair
> of 4xHDD boxes.
>
> Why 4 HDD per box?  Because Tina has them and a bunch of 10TB Seagate
> Ironwolf HDD as spares now... and She wishes to use them for the
> backup...as
> they re already bought and paid for... basically free HDD and free
> enclosures..... given that she really has 40.2TB of data to backup, it will
> require
> at least 5 HDD of 10TB each to have a complete backup.  Means the boxes
> must be x5 boxes, and she has x4 boxes.... thus we need two x4 boxes to do
> the
> job... and since we have them, why not?
>
> If you had to start from scratch, you would use bigger HDD or Bigger
> enclosures (x8 is available at about another $100 in cost as x4) and have
> only 1
> enclosure for the backup HDD box...
>
> if you were starting from scratch, you could also use a bigger NAS or a
> second one,and have backup done that way
>
> Every time you buy something, it costs for HDD $150-500 EACH, enclosures
> are $250-many, many thousands EACH....
>
> It is just an infinite money sink...you need to draw the line
> somewhere.....
>
> Frank Filippone
> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
>
> On 5/31/2024 8:29 PM, Richard Man via LUG wrote:
> > I'm in the "don't trust RAID unless you really know what you're doing"
> > camp. One bad controller and you are hosed.
> >
> > This is one reason I went with ZFS, 2 disks for redundancy, and if one
> disk
> > drive, it should be reasonably easy to recover.
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 10:05 PM Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
> > lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Interesting. A layman's question - would it not be less
> >> complex/faster/cheaper/easier to have a data library on 20TB drives from
> >> Seagate/WD with USB 3.1 or 3.2 ports , either as an external brick, or
> with
> >> high quality enclosures? The specs say 10-20 GB/S, though that is only
> in
> >> Never Never Land, not in the real world!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Jayanand
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 1:30 AM Frank Filippone via LUG <
> >> lug at leica-users.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If there are any of you still interested in the terribly nerdy, and not
> >>> Leica related, IT based information of this subject, I continue my
> >> tale....
> >>> Those that do not care, can hit the delete key and save your time and
> >>> patience for other things.....
> >>>
> >>> Tina has all her images, 40.2TB of them, now on one Synology NAS.  At
> >> this
> >>> moment, she is directing LR to find all the new places for these
> images.
> >>> Not a fast task, but a necessary one.
> >>>
> >>> FYI, the copy speed of the Drobos to the NAS was 5TB/ DAY..... the 40TB
> >> of
> >>> this installation, would have taken 8 Days running 24/7. I made some
> >> errors
> >>> and there were some duplicated folders, so it took longer... about 12
> >>> days.   The Drobo was directly plugged into the back of the NAS, and
> the
> >>> NAS was
> >>> running directly with the USB port,, no computer in the "middle".  This
> >> is
> >>> the fastest configuration.  The copy was done by use of the faster O/S
> of
> >>> the NAS, not Windows.  (This is SOOOOO nerdy,, if you wish to know
> more,
> >>> contact me directly.  )
> >>>
> >>> The Drobo source files are being preserved for a while until we are
> sure
> >>> all the images have been copied properly, none forgotten or misplaced.
> >>> They
> >>> sit on a shelf, without power ( or purpose) for now.  Later they will
> be
> >>> cannibalized for the HDD inside, to go into her ProDrives for a archive
> >>> backup to the NAS.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has interest in Drobos, and has the insane ( Value judgement
> is
> >>> mine) death wish to use these, please contact  Tina, directly. It is
> not
> >>> time to get rid of them yet, but you should check with her to make
> >>> arrangements....
> >>>
> >>> I do not suspect there will be a big stampede, but who knows?
> >>>
> >>> Note on the Probox:  These reasonably cheap ( few hundred $$$) HDD
> >>> enclosures have an interesting feature that I will use when we get that
> >>> far... they
> >>> have an eSATA port.  So does the NAS ( not all do).  This is of value
> >>> because eSATA is significantly faster (so I am told, 5GB/Sec on USB
> 3.0,
> >>> 6GB/Sec
> >>> for eSATA) then USB 3.0.  Backup times will be reduced significantly.
> >>>
> >>> If you are thinking about also putting all your images on one HDD
> array,
> >>> NAS or RAID or not, AND you have an eSATA port on your computer ( some
> >> do,
> >>> others do not) this is probably the best way to wire up your
> computer...
> >>> use eSATA to ProBox directly rather than use USB to make the connection
> >>> faster.
> >>>
> >>> Be Aware that eSATA does not support hot-swapping, therefore the
> computer
> >>> has to be restarted to recognize the connected device.  Not a big deal.
> >>> Especially if you have only one eSATA device.
> >>>
> >>> More to come as I get everything working.... better, faster, and more
> >>> protected.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Frank FilipponeBMWRed735i at Gmail.com
> >>>
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